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[DKHagans]

Hey Guys,

 

I have come across two bibles that are missing 1 Samuel 13:1 

 

The Bible in Basic English and The Good News Bible

 

I was doing a compare of 1 Samuel 13:1 and I noticed that those two bibles that are in E-sword were not in the compare list, so I went to each one individually and both bibles start at verse 2, with verse 1 just not there.

 

is there any rhyme or reason for this, and are there other translations that are also missing verse 1?

 

As always thanks.

[PeanutGallery]

I did a search for those bibles online, and v.1 is also missing.

[APsit190]

Hey Guys,

 

I have come across two bibles that are missing 1 Samuel 13:1 

 

The Bible in Basic English and The Good News Bible

 

I was doing a compare of 1 Samuel 13:1 and I noticed that those two bibles that are in E-sword were not in the compare list, so I went to each one individually and both bibles start at verse 2, with verse 1 just not there.

 

is there any rhyme or reason for this, and are there other translations that are also missing verse 1?

 

As always thanks.

 

It's not so much as Bibles are missing verses; rather it's the way the verses have been arranged.

 

Some translations have combined verses into another verse, or have even simply cut out a verse and added the text into another verse.

 

You must remember that Chapter and Verse divisions are relatively a "modern" invention. Here is an article from Got Questions on the historicity of Chapter and Verse divisions:

 

The chapter divisions commonly used today were developed by Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury. Langton put the modern chapter divisions into place in around A.D. 1227. The Wycliffe English Bible of 1382 was the first Bible to use this chapter pattern. Since the Wycliffe Bible, nearly all Bible translations have followed Langton’s chapter divisions.

The Hebrew Old Testament was divided into verses by a Jewish rabbi by the name of Nathan in A.D. 1448. Robert Estienne, who was also known as Stephanus, was the first to divide the New Testament into standard numbered verses, in 1555. Stephanus essentially used Nathan’s verse divisions for the Old Testament. Since that time, beginning with the Geneva Bible, the chapter and verse divisions employed by Stephanus have been accepted into nearly all the Bible versions.

 

Note that there is not an actual official agreed set standard as to how many chapters and verses there should be in the Bible. The Roman Catholic Bible and the Tanakh (Jewish OT) has 1 extra chapter (psalm) in the Book of Psalms. It can be as many as whatever you may want to have, or not have if that's the way you want to go. And that I find amazing.

 

Trust you find this information helpful to you.

 

Blessings,

Edited by APsit190, 13 May 2024 - 01:34 PM.

[PeanutGallery]

It's not so much as Bibles are missing verses; rather it's the way the verses have been arranged....

 

This verse is missing. not arranged.

1Sam 13:

1 Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

 

 

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Bible Basic English:

1Sam 12:

24 Only go in the fear of the Lord, and be his true servants with all your heart, keeping in mind what great things he has done for you.
25 But if you still do evil, destruction will overtake you and your king.

 

1Sam 13:

1
2 And Saul took for himself three thousand men of Israel, of whom he kept two thousand with him in Michmash and in the mountain of Beth-el, and a thousand were with Jonathan in Gibeah in the land of Benjamin: the rest of the people he sent back to their tents.

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Good News Bible

 

1Sam 12:

24 Obey the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart. Remember the great things he has done for you.
25 But if you continue to sin, you and your king will be destroyed."

 

1Sam 13:

1
2 Saul picked three thousand men, keeping two thousand of them with him in Michmash and in the hill country of Bethel and sending one thousand with his son Jonathan to Gibeah, in the territory of the tribe of Benjamin. The rest of the men Saul sent home.

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[Katoog]

The reason why it is omitted is the age of Saul and the number of years that he rules OR the words were added after it.

This problem is very old because the verse was already omitted in some versions of the LXX.

So a problem of misunderstanding or text corruption. Some translations using other numbers or even use __ because they have no solution for the problem.

I found a solution for the age and years problem.

 

1Sa 13:1  Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel, (KJV)

1Sa 13:1  reigned one year: Heb. the son of one year in his reigning (KJV footnote)

The Hebrew idiom "son of a year" is not in English but means year of origin or first year.

 

1Sa 13:1  It was a year since Saul began to reign and he had reigned in the second year over Israel, (my translation: the RHB)

 

In the first year was Saul called a king but it takes a year before he was recognized as king over whole Israel.

Edited by Katoog, 13 May 2024 - 07:52 PM.

[APsit190]

When it comes to OT Translations, my thoughts the best one's to go for are those translated from the Jewish Tanakh. The reason is that these have not been changed by Jewish scribes and are always have been consistently accurate since year dot.

[Olaf Bacon]

DKHagans,
Thank you for bringing the attention of the readers of the Bible Support website to the fact that sometimes there is a back story to the information presented in the Bible which is very interesting, which the author (who is the Ever-living God) and the people who were responsible for editing the Hebrew text decided not to put into words.

When you have the funds, you could purchase a copy of the HOLY BIBLE: Revised New Jerusalem Bible: Study Edition (2019) Biblical text copyright Darton, Longman and Todd Ltd 2019, Translated by Dom Henry Wansbrough, Order of Saint Benedict, with the Notes and Introductions copyright by Dom Henry Wansbrough 2019. Then when you open that Bible on your Bible reading study table, you will probably notice that Henry Wansbrough provides notes that will help you understand the situation, as best understood by the university-trained scholars who convey traditional views in good and clear English. 

 

Here is how RNJB translates this section. Under the heading "B. The Beginning of Saul's Reign [a]" is a footnote [a] "Chs 13-14 purport to give a full history of Saul's reign, with a formal introduction and conclusion, 13:1 and 14:47-52."

 

Then under the subheading "Revolt against the Philistines", chapter 13 begins: "Saul was ... years old when he became king, and reigned over Israel for ... [b] and two years." The footnote: "[b] The Hebr. has, 'Saul was one year old ... and reigned over Israel for two years', which is absurd; the true figures have been lost. It is a conventional introduction to a royal reign, as e.g. 2 K 15:2." 

 

For the answer, just keep reading the further history as it is presented up to the end of chapter fifteen. Notice what happened. Saul's desire was to be seen as "good" in the sight of his people, and he took the praise when his son, Jonathan, successfully attacked the Philistine camp.
Was God given any honor for having assisted them? Is this how a "king" should lead his people?
Jesus was never swayed by the public opinion polls and always did what was lawful in God's sight.
Saul stopped viewing himself as "a little one", since he was taller than the other soldiers, and did not regard himself as "a small one" under the tutorship of God's prophet, Samuel.

Compare Saul's attitude with Isaiah 60:22 "A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time." That statement by Isaiah comes immediately before the reading that Jesus quoted when he visited the Synagogue in his childhood town, as quoted in Luke 4:18. So, was Saul truly a "king" who obeyed God's orders, during his first year of Leadership, and did he display real leadership and obedience in the second year?

 

Does this have any bearing on the attitude of the military leaders against the attack from the area of Gaza, which is where the Philistines were, against Israel today?
1 Samuel 15:2 mentions "Amalek". Today it is Joseph Biden and his Vice President Kamala  (the name is an anagram of Amalek with different vowels) who are plotting to restrict Israel from having "iron" weapons to be used to eliminate the Hamas warriors in their underground tunnels which are sending out rocket attacks from the Philistine area which is today called Gaza. 

[Tj Higgins]

Samuel 13:1 is translated differently or omitted in many translations as shown below:
 

1 Samuel 13:1

(AMP)  SAUL WAS [forty] years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

(ASV-1901)  Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

(CEB)  Samuel rejects Saul’s dynasty Saul was 30 years old® when he became king, and he ruled over Israel forty-two years.®

(CSB)  Sauls Failure Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty-two years over Israel.

(ESV2016)  Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel,

(Geneva 1599)  3 The Philistines are smitten of Saul and Jonathan. 13 Saul being disobedient to God's commandment, is showed of Samuel that he shall not reign. 19 The great slavery, wherein the Philistines kept the Israelites. Saul now had been King one year, and he reigned two years over Israel.

(GNT)  OMITTED TEXT

(KJV)  Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

(LEB)  Saul was thirty years old at the beginning of his reign, and he reigned forty- two years over Israel.

(MEV)  Saul Fails His Commission Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty-two years over Israel

(NABRE)  III. Saul and David [Saul was…years old when he became king and he reigned…-two years over Israel.]

(NASB2020)  Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned for forty-two years over Israel.

(NIV2011)  Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

(NKJV82)  Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

(NLT2013)  Continued War with PhilistiaSaul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned for forty-two years.

(REB)  Campaign against The Philistines. Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel for twenty-two years.

(RSVA)  Saul was . . . years old when he began to reign; and he reigned . . . and two years over Israel.

(TS2009)  Sha’ul was ... years old when he began to reign. And when he had reigned two years over Yisra’ěl,

(UASV+)  Saul was [�]N1 years old when he began to reign, and for [�]N2 he reigned over Israel.

(WEB 2014A)  Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty-two years.

 

The verse is some times referred to as being defective hence it being omitted in the GNT and BBE translations