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[Todd S]

I notice in this interlinear (Greek NT INT+) some words are located in a box that is dark grey. Why is that? I looked at the information file for it and there is nothing there to tell me the reason.

Thanks

Todd

[Katoog]

Greek NT INT+ is based on the ν = ΝΑ28 [=UBS5] text.

By textual variants for example spelling variants of  "David" is the dark grey based on other sources.

α = Alexandrian [= UBS3/UBS4/NA26/NA27]
τ = Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
σ = Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
β = Byzantine Majority

 

So ν = ΝΑ28 [=UBS5] text is never dark grey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Olaf Bacon]

Hello Todd S,
can you remember where you downloaded the entry from, and tell us which version of e-Sword you are using, (e-Sword for the PC, which version - see  the "Help", "About" if you use this on a PC), or e-Sword for the Mac, or other devices? Open the file in e-Sword, and let us know the heading in the Bible, Information, field please. Give us some info as to who produced the Lexicon or Dictionary or Bible or dictionary windows that you are referring to, and using, for which specific sentence, please. If you do not tell us what you are searching on, using which particular Bible, Chapter, and verse, we do not have a method of using remote viewing to look over your shoulder to see what you are doing, and looking at, on your display screen. God has a seven-fold method, called the Spirit of God, to investigate what is occurring on the Earth - but neither Apple nor Microsoft has invented a similar method for the PC user, that I'm aware of, that does the same thing. You'll just have to supply a bit more infornation.

ADDED EXPLANATION. The entry referred to by Todd S, has the tab name in the Bible option "Greek NT INT+" This Bible module is loaded from inside e-Sword, by searching on the option "Download", then "Bibles", then browse down to "Greek", and under the "Free" option, browse down the options until you get to the entry "Greek NT INT+".  Then select this, and allow it to download.

Based on the reply from Katoog, Select this Bible tab. Then Select a Book, chapter and verse from the NT. For the problem reported by Todd S, just open Matthew chapter 1 verse 1
and look at the results on screen more carefully. You will see the Greek words have been analysed, and translated, word for word, in a table format. 
You have to put your brain into gear when you study the Bible. Remember to drink from a mug of water every half an hour, to keep energy in your body working, and to force you to get up and walk-around.

The Greek Text from Westcott-Hort is:     Mat 1:1  βιβλος γενεσεως ιησου χριστου υιου δαυιδ υιου αβρααμ

The Greek text from Textus Receptus is: Mat 1:1  βιβλος γενεσεως ιησου χριστου υιου δαβιδ υιου αβρααμ

 

Notice the spelling - there are two ways that the word DAVID has been spelled. In the "Greek NT INT+" the second option, shown with a grey background, is from the alternative spelling.

As Katoog explained, in his reply. from his experience in creating a Bible translation, the information you see in a dark background, in comparison to the entry alongside it, refers to a different spelling variation of letters in the word in the original Greek file that is being reported on. The last line of the information indicates the codes that identifies from which source the alternative spelling which you see for a specific word, originates.

Open the "Bible", "Information" option, to see the information that shows that:
in Matthew 1:1 the source of the spelling of the words δαβιδ and Δαβίδ comes from the source τσ and the source of the spelling of the words, δαυιδ and Δαβίδ comes from the source ναβ

The second variety of spelling, is supplied with the grey background.
τ = Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
σ = Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus

The other spelling of the word for "david, David", in the previous word column, came from
ν = ΝΑ28 [=UBS5]
α = Alexandrian [= UBS3/UBS4/NA26/NA27]
β = Byzantine Majority

You will see other words in Matthew 1:5.First βοες from the source να then βοοζ from the source τσβ And here again, the second spelling variety is shown with the background in grey.

Welcome to the Jigsaw Puzzle, that God invented. You just have to use the Bible words to decode themselves. There was a Russian mathematician, who realized that in Hebrew the letters could be grouped into words or phrases, which could be added together, to produce numerical results. He was astounded to realize that the same codes could be found repeatedly. There are also codes of usage on the words in the New Testament. This is just mathematics.
The whole idea of "Bible Codes" where the letters in a word or phrase, will be interspaced with a fixed sequence of blanks, at regular intervals, and then assembled so that the words recur and can be looped in a jig-saw puzzle format, to produce a lattice of letters on the screen where intersecting words appear, visible to the human eye, which can be decoded by the human brain, is something that actually forms intelligent associations.

Hebrew University continues to correlate present world events together, and see if there are hints in BIBLE CODE that the various actors involved were known by God when he designed the Bible so many centuries ago. The results they obtain, using computer searches, are quite amazing. It's as though God knew what events would occur, in our time, and wrote of similar accounts in the Books of Moses. The New Testament variations of spellings apparently were intentionally done, to make the numerical codes fit, even in the NT manuscripts.
Those who investigate Bible Codes have found that in most cases, after events have occurred, then the associations are found. Sometimes they find the associations before the events occur, and then are able to warn the people involved that possible problems are likely to occur.

The person who investigated this was Ivan Panin. Ivan Panin lived before the days of computer searches, and did his investigation on the value of the letters used for the words, in Hebrew, and in Greek, manually. Ivan Panin found that the spelling of the names in the genealogy in Greek had been deliberately changed in Greek, evidently by the author, who is God, who inspired the original authors what words to use, and how to spell the words. These words then fit into the scheme he discovered, in Bible Codes, which refers to the words as grouped together as numbers. Even counting the number of times a specific word occurs throughout the whole Bible, still fits into the numbering pattern discovered by listing them as numerical codes. This means that even every jot or "tittle", the little signs that look like the feathers forming a crown on the head of the peacock, over certain letters in the books of Moses, have meaning, and are not to be summarily deleted, because they indicate that those words contain additional meaning, which was not explained in words.

e-Sword was not developed to be used for searching the value of Hebrew letters, or Greek Letters, beyond the border of verses, in the way they are used in Bible Codes. Latin does not use all the letters of their alphabet as numbers, like both the Hebrew and the Greek characters do, so the Latin-based Bibles are not useful for Bible Code analysis either.
Refer to the Preface of Numeric English New Testament, on the "Bible", "Information", option, for more details. Refer to the appendix notes, in the printed copy of this book, in English, and in Greek, for more details. One version [NUMNT] is available from Bible Support, one version [NENT] you can download from inside e-Sword.

Edited by Olaf Bacon, 02 July 2023 - 11:40 PM.

[Olaf Bacon]

For help to other users of this forum entry, the Bible referred to by Todd S, can be downloaded from inside e-Sword itself, on the Download, Bibles, option. Browse down to Greek, Free. There are a series of Greek Bibles provided by Rick Meyers, the developer of e-Sword. This particular entry is not provided by Bible Support, but has to be downloaded, when your PC is online, by selecting Greek NT INT +. The title is Greek New Testament (Interlinear) w/ Strong's Numbers. . Copyright © 2005-2010 by Maurice A. Robinson and William G. Pierpont. All rights reserved. Used with Permission. The entry in my copy of e-Sword for the PC was dated 2021-09-08.

[Katoog]

I'm fully aware of theomatics (God's mathematics) and that the "heptadic meter" (x7 or base 7) used by Panin not the only meter used in the Bible
I support x7,x10,x12,x17,x22,x23,x32,x40,x70 meters and testing x6,x8,x11,x18,x37 and x73 meters.

Psalm 119 has 176 verses based on 8x22 Hebrew letters as first letter of the verse.
Genesis 1 has 6 times "And it was evening and it was morning" * day as repetition.

The "Beatitudes" of Matthew Mat 5:3-12 has 9 times the word "μακαριοι"(Blessed) as first word of the verse or statement.
Or 10 times "μακαριοι" in Matthew including Mat 13:16 .

So the "heptadic meter" is not the only meter.

And the "Bible code" is "ELS" that is not used as checksum.

The Greek source of Palin is an edit based on the Westcott and Hort with textual variants in the margin while supporting Asaph instead of Asa in Mat 1:7-8
And Amos instead of Amon in Mat 1:10 in his Greek text.

Those are not spelling variants but the wrong names.

Edited by Katoog, 03 July 2023 - 11:00 PM.

[Todd S]

Thank you everybody. Variant it is:)