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#21 jonathon

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 07:40 PM

The rest pretty much were most more than likely written in either Hebrew or Aramaic though.


There are far more issues with Aramaic Primacy than the two I mentioned.

One of the first issues that comes up is the absence of early Aramaic texts. Basically nothing older than the fifth century. Fragments are notable by their absence.

They has way more word plays/puns that the greek thought of. And if the Greek puns are mostly in the western 5 well then that would tell a lot.


The Western Five are conspicuous by the absence of Greek puns. The Gospels have the highest density of Greek puns. The Gospels do contain puns in the Greek, that are not in the Aramaic.

But we know one thing for sure the oldest Greek Text line up better with the AramaicText, which would show that the newer Greek text kept adding stuff as the years went by.


Whilst there are differences in the Aramaic texts, they tend to line up with each other, but not with texts from the Greek, Latin, or other Biblical Language Manuscript families.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 04:48 AM

There are writings from the 2nd century that have quotes from the Peshitta.

There are early Aramaic testamonies that claim a copy of the Peshitta existed as early as 78AD.

There are testamonies from early church fathers that the Gospel of Mattith-Yahu was written in Hebrew and the same goes for Sha'ul' writing. The early church fathers testify that "Sha'ul wrote in his native tongue and others translated them the best they could".

Wow, really? Yes really!

Oh, and there are more problems with the 4th century Greek Text than one could shake a stick at!

Owe Vey.

Edited by will brinson: ferguson, 26 November 2011 - 06:39 AM.

 
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 04:35 PM

Hi Gary,

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 05:22 PM

thank you--i'm working on some more can you help me put in a book?  like book of barnabas?

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 05:38 PM

There are far more issues with Aramaic Primacy than the two I mentioned.

One of the first issues that comes up is the absence of early Aramaic texts. Basically nothing older than the fifth century.  Fragments are notable by their absence.



The Western Five are conspicuous by the absence of Greek puns.  The Gospels  have the highest density of Greek puns.  The Gospels do contain puns in the Greek, that are not in the Aramaic.



Whilst there are differences in the Aramaic texts, they tend to line up with each other, but not with texts from the Greek, Latin, or other Biblical Language Manuscript families.

jonathon


if you read david bauscher notes in his NT there is no argument left that Aramaic ROCKS!

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:39 AM

if you read david bauscher notes in his NT there is no argument left that Aramaic ROCKS!


Suggestion: Get permission from David Bauscher to convert some/most/all of his material into e-Sword format. Then do the conversion, and distribute it here.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:57 AM

I can send you a pdf of Dave Bauscher The Original Aramaic New Testament in Plain English it will answer almost all questions Andrew Roth AENT


Both of those works are under copyright.

Oh, and there are more problems with the 4th century Greek Text than one could shake a stick at!


Suggestion: Obtain permission from the authors of material about the issues with the Greek Texts to convert them into e-Sword format, then do the conversion, and distribute them here.

Aramaic Primacy won't get get you very far at seminary. Greek Primacy dominates to such an extent that known Aramaic Primist students will be automatically given lower grades, across the board.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:09 AM

Suggestion: Obtain permission from the authors of material about the issues with the Greek Texts to convert them into e-Sword format, then do the conversion, and distribute them here.


Their is a guy that is making a translation that will be a strict version of the Aramaic PeshittA (that is of the Eastern Aramaic Text), with Textural footnotes. Right now he has translated all but the four Gospels and the Book of Acts. Be pateint as he plains to make this a free resource. When it is finished he will allow it to be redistributed freely at will. This means that eSword modules will be made, and will be posted here for the world to see.

In the mean time one can go to http://peshitta.org. Once there click the Forum tab and read the threads covering Textural variances; Aramaic primacy forum; Aramaic primacy 101; Mistranslations; Polsemy; etc..., etc.., etc... You will find enough evidence presented within this forum. Andrew Gabriel Roth has posted there and shares a lot of his textrual notes.

Aramaic Primacy won't get get you very far at seminary. Greek Primacy dominates to such an extent that known Aramaic Primist students will be automatically given lower grades, across the board.


Antinomians are in charge of thse seminaries no doubt. Woopty Doo!
Finding favour with men does not get one into the Kingdom of Yahuwah Ailoheem, across the board (either).

Choose you this day whom you will follow. Call on the name of Yahuwah Ailoheem or continue calling upon the LORD GOD [a.k.a. - Ba'al Gawd]. He who answer He is Ailoheem. As for me I will call on Yahuwah Ailoheem as instructed in the Scriptures for my Salvation (Yahu-Ail [Joel] 2:32; Acts 2:21; and Romans 10:13). Yet the Antinomians seem to would rather prepare a table for LORD/BA'AL GOD/GAWD. Others tried this in the past and got no where fast.

Edited by will brinson: ferguson, 29 November 2011 - 03:46 AM.

 
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YHWH bless thee and keep thee;
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YHWH lift up His face to thee, and give thee shalom.

Your Brother in Yehoshua The Anointed One.
 
will 

 


#29 will brinson: ferguson

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:22 AM

Here is a URL to a blogpost that exposes some of the problems with the Greek Text: http://the-nazarite-...sg_com_blogpost

At the bottom of the Article there two more URLs one which has a more indepth article on the subject of Textural differences between the Greek NT Texts alone, and one that explains why Greek texts were by no means the originals of most if not all NT Texts.

Edited by will brinson: ferguson, 29 November 2011 - 09:28 AM.

 
May,
YHWH bless thee and keep thee;
YHWH cause His face to shine on thee, and be gracious to thee;
YHWH lift up His face to thee, and give thee shalom.

Your Brother in Yehoshua The Anointed One.
 
will 

 


#30 jonathon

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:49 AM

You will find enough evidence presented within this forum.


1) At least half of that evidence is along the lines of "this is what we want to be true, and our saying it is true makes it true";

2) That site almost completely ignores the issues that Aramaic Primacy raises and is unable to answer;

Antinomians are in charge of thse seminaries no doubt. Woopty Doo!


Outside of the Nestorian Church and the Church of the East, Aramaic Primacy had no advocates until the middle of the twentieth century. Virtually all of the advocates of Aramaic Primacy since then have been from outside academia.

As I suggested to both you and Gary, create e-Sword resources that demonstrate why Aramaic primacy should be taken seriously. Include in those resources that you two create the following:
  • Aramaic lexicons;
  • Aramaic grammars;
  • Aramaic codices;
  • The non-existent Aramaic critical text;
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