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[byrds00]

I would like to know if anyone has ever heard of either the ISR (Institute of Scriptural Research) or the HRV (Hebrew-Roots Version)? According to some of my research and brief readings these two books are said to be the prim authority of what the original scriptural text said (translated to). It is also attributed to the belief that Jesus is not only a pagan and false name but is in fact the arch angel Michael. Now I find this extremely hard to swallow and would like to read this for myself and compare with other translations instead of hearing what someone else says. I would like to know if anyone has heard this and if these books are available in the eSword format for further research. I appreciate any information and Thank you.

[turnsouth]

If you Google "Hebrew roots movement cult" you will get a good overview of the movement, and many websites with examples of where they change the Scriptures to fit their view.

 

Here is one particular blog with a section on the different versions the HRM uses:

http://joyfullygrowi....wordpress.com/

[BaptizedBeliever]

You'll find, if you read many commentaries, that the belief that Michael=Jesus is not uncommon.  Off the top of my head, Matthew Henry, John Gill, Expositor's Bible Commentary, Geneva Bible footnotes, Hengstenberg, BW Johnson, and others.  Not a one of these men describe Jesus as anything less than the fully-divine Son of God.  Some of their arguments include:

 

Jesus is the one who defeats Satan, Michael is the one who defeats Satan (Rev 12)

The plural word "archangels" is never found in the Bible.  It only ever mentions one.

Jesus is the primary messenger of God (Hebrews 1:1-2), Michael is the highest messenger of God (that's the meaning of "archangel")

Jesus is the one who is as God (John 1:1), Michael's name means "Who is as God."

Jude 9 seems to be a reference to Zech 3:1-3, and if that is the case then Michael is identified as the "Angel of the LORD" who many agree is a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ.

When Jesus descends from heaven, He will be speaking with the voice of the "archangel"

 

Just for what that's worth.

 

-Brad

[Mitchell Berger]

For the Last 12 years I have been a "Way" following person of Jewish ancestry.  I have say that I am disappointed to learn that I am in a Cult.  If that is true then our leader is, was, and always will be Yeshua/Jesus. I personally use "The Scriptures" (1998) from ISR, and the HOT+, and KJV+ for my primary sources.

 

That is not to say any of these bibles translations are perfect. However, using the Tetragramaton, and Yeshua in the Hebrew allows one to use what ever name of Our Father you are personally most comfortable with.  Substituting "Torah" for "Law" in the Renwed/Apostolic Scriptures introduces a deeper meaning when you realize that "Torah" comes from the Hebraic root for arrow, and should be thought of as "Instructions" instead of "Law".  Don't all good fathers give their children instructions/guidance?

 

 

[Katoog]

That is not to say any of these bibles translations are perfect. However, using the Tetragramaton, and Yeshua in the Hebrew allows one to use what ever name of Our Father you are personally most comfortable with.  Substituting "Torah" for "Law" in the Renwed/Apostolic Scriptures introduces a deeper meaning when you realize that "Torah" comes from the Hebraic root for arrow, and should be thought of as "Instructions" instead of "Law".  Don't all good fathers give their children instructions/guidance?

 

The reason why I not always use the Tetragramaton is harmonisation with the Greek sources.

Do you like this translation from The Scriptures 1998? Pro 6:20  My son, watch over your father’s command, And do not forsake the Torah of your mother.

The Torah is also the first 5 Books of the Bible.

Why has none of the "Sacred Name Bibles" an "Amen, Amen" in  Joh 5:19 (Amen is Strong number G281)  Are they editing with another Bible as basis without giving credits?

Edited by Katoog, 19 February 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[turnsouth]

For the Last 12 years I have been a "Way" following person of Jewish ancestry.  I have say that I am disappointed to learn that I am in a Cult.  

Being a Messianic Jew does not make one part of a cult. In this particular instance the phrase, when used in reference to the HRM, is intended to convey the ideal that it tends to have the semblance of a cult.(when it is followed as the "latest thing" in Christianity) Insomuch as there is a tendency to dismiss the teachings of the Apostle Paul, as well as the teachings in the New Testament that we are no longer under the Law, but under Grace.