Have it in Canada and in Mexico, but not in the US which happens to be more central to both?  

Both Mexico and Canada are far more respectful of visitors than the United States.

OTOH, by 2027, Les Etats-Unis de Central et Amérique du Nord might be well on the way of being reality.

jonathon

Thou shalt not use Internet Explorer...(to avoid this problem).

Not just that problem:

http://news.bbc.co.u...ogy/8463516.stm

nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/09/18/german-government-tells-all-users-of-internet-explorer-to-stop-now/

jonathon

A meeting of e-Sword Users

Start small scale with that one.  
Organize a meeting of e-Sword users in Christchurch.

Live demonstrations of the program.

Other than demonstrating the 2009 SBL Bible Software Shootout using e-Sword, what isn't available on YouTube, that would be demonstrated?

An e-Sword talk fest

What topics would be discussed?

A sort of a convention on the hop

Could do what Libronix did a couple of years ago, and drive an RV around the country. (Expensive, but possibly worth it. Petrol here is US$3.76 a gallon. Diesel is US$4.25 per gallon.)

I can see an RV roadtrip, visiting users in North America, Europe, Southern Africa, and Australia. It would take about a decade for one team to visit every country, demonstrating e-Sword in the major population centres of each country.

The small scale version would be along the Indian Ocean of South Africa: Cape Town, Stellenbosch, Mossel Bay, Knysna, George, Port Elizabeth, Grahamstwon, Alice, King Williams Town, Port Alfred, East London, Kei Mouth, Umtata, Port St Johns, Margate, Port Shepstone, Durban, Pietermaritzburg, Stanger, Richard's Bay, and St Lucia. (That route goes through the biggest game reserve in the world that is home to the big seven --- elephant, rhino, lion, buffalo, leopard, great white shark, southern right whale.)

Gives an opportunity of e-Sworders to get out of their back yard and meet other e-Sworders in another country

  

That got me thinking about the possibility of e-Sword users visiting the Holy Land. Or retracing Paul's journeys. For a more adventerous group meeting /tour, trace the spread of the Bible to the east, during the first century.

I thought of an e-Sword convention, something similar to Bibletech, but have it in different countries, say each year, rather than just the one country all the time.

Holding it every year on a different continent, means that more locals get an opportunity to attend. ChristChurch, Port Elizabeth (South Africa), Vancouver (BC, Canada), Rome, Rio de Janeiro, Singapore, Melbourne, Freetown (Liberia), Mexico City, London, Santiago, Seoul, for the first 14 conferences.

jonathon

I was wondering if someone can help making this into a module.

Can somebody get the text document that the PDF was created from?

It would probably be much easier to work with that document, than to OCR the PDF, then correct all of the OCR errors.

Regardless of how the text is converted/obtained, somebody fluent in Pali needs to proofread it, both before and after throwing it at T3, or T4. Ideally, different people do that proof reading.

jonathon

Genesis alone had 50,000 cross-references.

If he can do that for every book in the 66 Book Protestant Canon, he'll have 3,300,000 cross-references. With the 78 Book Orthodox Canon, he'll have 3,900,000 cross-references.

Obviously, for some books, such as Jude, 50,000 cross-references is extremely unlikely.  OTOH, for others, such as Psalms, 150,000 cross-references is well within the range of possible.

###

I can see a way for Jude to have 50,000 cross-references, but those would be to non-Biblical material, such as The Book of Mormon, Urantia, and Sacred Texts of the East.

jonathon

jonathon

when I realized that the text which was provided for me was incomplete. 

I've noticed that with more than a couple of PDFs from both The Internet Archive, and Google Books.

jonathon

I began to wonder about the possibility of an international e-Sword roadshow.

That is something I've thought about in the past.

I'm not sure if it is a good sign, or a bad sign, but, AFAIK, there have not been more than a dozen e-Sword users at any of the previous BibleTech conferences. OTOH, it has been mentioned by the speaker, in two or three talks, at every BibleTech.

I realize that this would take quite a lot of organizing, and will need quite a large budget in order for it to work. The logistics for such a venture would have to be something incredible, but nonetheless, I think this would be quite feasible to do.

First issue: What, precisely, would you like it to accomplish.

The reason for wanting it as an international thing is primarily because e-Sword is use in just about in every country in the world.

One of the things I've been praying about, is that the government ignores Rick. Technically, by allowing downloads to Cuba, North Korea, and half a dozen other countries, Rick is violating various US laws, agency rules, and regulations.

As far as Korea goes, I do wonder who is downloading it, and, more precisely, why.

And if my understanding is correct, it is a very popular Bible Program by missionaries.

Several people in the 10-40 belt have told that they like to recommend e-Sword to people, because it enables them to get around the prohibition on distributing the Bible, in the country they work in.

I would like your thoughts on this, and if you think this is something that is feasible, then how can something like this can be actually organized to do.

How feasible it is, depends upon what one hopes/expects for it to accomplish.

Go back to basics.
Put forth a proposal of what it will cover, and then discussion on where and how to do it can be done.

I do like the idea, but without anything concrete, feasibility is to vague to discuss.

jonathon

Do you have that list from ESV?

I found the spreadsheet.  

One page lists the number of cross-references per chapter, that are outside of the chapter.
One page lists the number of cross-references per book, that are outside of the book.
Only the 66 Book Protestant Canon is included/covered.

jonathon

BibleTech 2013 will be held 15 and 16 March 2013, in Seattle.

I received an email saying that it would be at the Red Lion Hotel, in Downtown Seattle.
1415 5th Ave in Seattle. (Between Pike and Union, on 5th Ave. 2 blocks from West Lake Center.)
IIRC, it is 2 blocks from West Lake Station, and 2 blocks from University Street Station. (Light Rail)
Buses run on 4th Ave and 6th Ave.

jonathon

I put together this one by R.C. Evans, a former "apostle" in the Mormon church (RLDS branch).

FWIW, The Re-organized Church of the Latter Day Saints is now known as The Community of Christ.

One of the fundamental branches within The Reformed Church of the Latter Day Saints recently started using RLDS as its abbreviation.

The theology of any of the branches within the Reformed Church of the Latter Day Saints subgrouping, and either the current Community of Christ, or the former Reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints is very different.

jonathon

To really get as many cross references out will take years.

The attached files from the ESV might give you an idea of how many more cross-references are still to be found, for your project.
I have a spreadsheet from ESV, that has either number of cross-references per chapter and book, or the actual cross-references themselves.   (From a casual examination, it might contain both of those datapoints.)

A couple of years ago, I read about a Bible that claimed to include more than 1,000,000 cross-references, in the hard copy edition.That would be an average of 32.1 cross-references per verse, for the 66 Book Protestant Canon.  Even if the Orthodox Canon was used, the average number of cross-references per verse is 26.6.  Either way, that looks like way too many cross-references to be effectively utilized by all but the most adroit scholar.

Broken up into a dozen or more books (or for e-Sword, commentary resources ) that many cross-references could well be an asset to the average individual, provided the resources were broken up in a easilly identifiable manner.

jonathon

Jonathon has offered some very wise counsel about the usefulness and accuracy of Cross References....(plus they can artfully conceal mis-application and false doctrine as well)

http://www.esv.org/a...08.01.model.png is an interesting diagram on how people study the Bible. It probably would be useful to keep it in mind, when constructing cross-references, or other critical apparatus.

On second thoughts, make that "useful to keep in mind", when coding Biblical Software in general.

jonathon

Also, I have found the quickverse books in the STEP. They are all coded so to speak for quickverse. Can I go about renaming them? Or will that damage the file?

My recommendation is to drop the STEP files into their own directory.  e-Sword will recognize the filenames that QuickVerse uses. (More precisely, the files names that are in the volume.ini file of the directory that the STEP files are in.)

Navigation to STEP resources is a little more difficult than for the "native" e-Sword resources.

jonathon

I would like to know who or how many people use Cross References (TSK) in their Bible Study?

Cross References can be useful, but only when the reason for the cross-reference is "immediately" apparent.
For example:

• Genesis 3:7 cross referenced to Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 12:6;
• Deuetonomy 8:3 cross-referenced to Revelation 7:16;

There are doctrinal reasons for those cross-references, but given "cold", as I did here, ponder upon how long it would take an individual to make the appropriate connections, and understand why they are cross-referenced.

jonathon

I've been trying to find "The Jerusalem Bible" for e-Sword. I do not want an "inaccurate" or "inconclusive" one or one which has not been released (i.e., copyrighted).

The Jerusalem Bible (1966) is under copyright.
AFAIK, permission to distribute it in e-Sword format has not been granted.

The New Jerusalem Bible is also under copyright.
AFAIK, permission to distribute it in e-Sword format has not been granted.

Nonetheless, both Bibles have been converted, and publicly distributed in e-Sword format. However, neither e-Sword resource is a true and faithful representation of the original hardcopy.

jonathon