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#1 Gary Timm

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 09:45 AM

Please forgive me if I’ve placed this post in the wrong section, but I was unable to find a forum for e-Sword design and development ideas. My question is this. 

Can e-Sword pull information from an outside HTML web page or internet-based data source? And if not, is this concept feasible with the design of a plug-in or add-on module?

 

My intent is to link Strong’s numbers found in e-Sword to this data base using the internet as the conduit for delivery. I have used e-Sword for many years and have an ever-expanding dictionary that may be many more years in the development stage as it requires all information to be entered by hand. However, much of this information can be put to use at present in order to heighten biblical understanding and is based upon several scriptural principles, including a principle Jesus has explained in great detail. My thoughts are that rather than create a new dictionary version every couple of weeks, I was hoping to have this information available as it is entered.

 

Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks,

Gary

 



#2 Katoog

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:43 AM

You can put an (external) link to a website but you ask if e-Sword can import info Online while the info isn't available Offline?

The e-Sword program has no connection with the website makers as Bible Gateway, Logos soft, Bible Study, Biblehub and you-version as some apps do.(mostly made by the website makers).

The problem is copyright and security and Offline use of the dictionary module.

 

Is there a website with Strong dictionary that is free to use and not already uploaded here? Except the English man' dictionary?


Edited by Katoog, 04 December 2016 - 10:44 AM.

Restored Holy Bible 10 and the Restored Textus Receptus

http://rhb.altervista.org/homepage.htm


#3 Gary Timm

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 12:49 PM

The dictionary I'm wishing to create would basically be a supplement to the Strong's Dictionary and would not be in association with other copyrighted materials. The dictionary and website database would be my own. Again, it's only implementing the Strong's number system since it has already been established and in place.

 

The reason I am searching for doing this is that there are many words which are translated with completely different meanings. An example is the Strong's G1623 (sixth - εκτος) which is the same word as G1622 (except - εκτος) in many instances. There are countless other examples of this, but I believe we are loosing a great deal of understanding due to the variance of interpretations. In other words, many people would not recognize that the word "except (G1622)" is the same exact word as "sixth (G1623)" without a reference telling us of this fact.

 

Again, I've already compiled a large list of words as the example shown above, but as it grows, I just figured it may be more feasible to tie a website database to the dictionary to allow automatic updates, rather than create countless consecutive versions of the same dictionary for download.

 

God bless,

Gary



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Posted 04 December 2016 - 01:22 PM

 

The reason I am searching for doing this is that there are many words which are translated with completely different meanings. An example is the Strong's G1623 (sixth - εκτος) which is the same word as G1622 (except - εκτος) in many instances. There are countless other examples of this, but I believe we are loosing a great deal of understanding due to the variance of interpretations. In other words, many people would not recognize that the word "except (G1622)" is the same exact word as "sixth (G1623)" without a reference telling us of this fact.

 

While it is the same word in letters (not in Greek with accents): G1623 (sixth - εκτος) a noun and G1622 (except - εκτος) is an adverb.

I have deal with double Strong numbers and double morph codes in order to create the rtr+ and rtr+m (without accents)

What you want is something like the GRVi dictionary and using Strong numbers in the dictionary search.

http://www.biblesupp...to-lsju-mounce/

Just click on a Greek word (without accents or CAPS).


Edited by Katoog, 04 December 2016 - 01:27 PM.

Restored Holy Bible 10 and the Restored Textus Receptus

http://rhb.altervista.org/homepage.htm


#5 Gary Timm

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 03:37 PM

In all humbleness, the accents used in Greek (and Hebrew) were added by modern man solely in a attempt to better pronounce and decipher each word. They were not initially written that way. In fact, the inclusion of accents does little to help, and instead, makes things much more difficult. For example, searching for Greek words within the Greek text is nearly impossible when there are so many variations of accents. The same holds true for Hebrew.

 

My point is this… God did not design them in that manner, so why does man think he has the right to revise them? Not to mention, we are doing exactly what God told us not to do in Revelation 22:18-19. And that is, changing His Word. 

 

To speak of Strong’s G1623 and G1622 solely as adverbs and nouns may make sense by modern day standards, but by God’s standards they are exactly the same word… and their meanings should be (at the very least) similar. To say that one speaks of the number “6”, and the other strays completely from this meaning with the definition of “except” makes no sense. Could we expect God to lead us astray down a path without any true means of understanding? Even by the teachings of modern-day standards this makes little sense. An adverb of “home” would have “home” as a noun. An adverb of “chair” would have “chair” as a noun. In every case, similar word… similar meaning.

 

I think we have been fed too much by those who have attempted to make things easier, and instead made it much more burdensome. To accept what man has decided best, and to blindly throw away what God has straight out given us, I believe has put us on a collision course with thinking we are above God.

 

In conclusion, it may be best to take a step backwards and unfix what wasn’t broken in the first place. For if we’re truly searching, we only need Him to teach us - 1 John 2:27.

 

BTW - My initial question seems to have gotten lost in the mix, but you touched on a subject that is very seldom discussed. Regardless, I greatly appreciate all your help. Thanks again, Gary



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Posted 09 December 2016 - 06:08 AM

If you want a unaccented text they are out there.  Man does modify change or develop things as he goes on.  I skeptical that you can say God made it this way.  Greek and Hebrew were not thrown out of Heaven but languages developed by man.  If we used that type of thinking, then we would still use cuneiform and use clay or limestone to write on.  In fact why have electronic texts after all NT was written on sheep skin and papyrus.  What is even worse is that Greek and Hebrew MSS of are all in caps without breaks between words.  Due a search on that, which it would be very confusing,



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Posted 09 December 2016 - 02:16 PM

Hey Gary,

 

Your project sounds ambitious!

 

e-Sword modules are SQLite databases. Your website database would probably be MySQL. You could convert from one format to another but such would require coding and intermediary processing. This would require more effort initially but would led to seamless conversions later.

 

Another idea: You can generate an e-Sword module (database) from a word processing document in a program called ToolTip NT. The disadvantage of this solution is you must update the word processing document each time you made a change to your website database. This is the better "low-tech" solution, allowing non-technical users to parse and format data properly for e-Sword.

 

But no, e-Sword can't pull data from the Internet.

 

Josh

 

 

My thoughts are that rather than create a new dictionary version every couple of weeks, I was hoping to have this information available as it is entered.

 

....

 

Again, I've already compiled a large list of words as the example shown above, but as it grows, I just figured it may be more feasible to tie a website database to the dictionary to allow automatic updates, rather than create countless consecutive versions of the same dictionary for download.

 

God bless,

Gary



#8 Gary Timm

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:00 AM

Thanks Josh,

 

I'm familiar with ToolTip NT and quickly realized its pros and cons. I guess I was looking for a way to tie my efforts in with a community based endeavor, but there doesn't appear to be any easy solution at present. I'm also familiar with MySQL, and this may be the most feasible solution in the long run. Then again, I'm not much of a programmer, but I'll just have to gear my efforts toward finding one.

 

And you're right, hand entering all the information is quite a task... and I'm not sure if the world is ready for what God has shown me, but you wouldn't believe the results. Regardless, the good Lord has placed me on this path, and I'm more than willing to accept. And with tools like e-Sword and a community such as this, we should always anticipate any knowledge that comes directly from God's Word.

 

Thanks again and may God Bless you,

Gary



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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:19 AM

Gary,

 

Some of us knew very little about the technical side off Bible study when we started. We grew with the aches and pains of trial and error. God bless you in your endeavor. I'm looking forward to seeing your work.


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#10 Gary Timm

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 10:41 AM

DoctorDaveT,

 

I appreciated your kind words and support! Unity abolishes division... God bless!

 

Gary





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