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[S.k. Williams]

I really enjoy ESword but, I was wondering, is it possible to create a Module that contains a book or books not found in the regular Cannon or LXX?

 

 

For example, the Wycliffe Bible contains the Epistle To The Laodecians, which is near Universally regarded as a forgery. Still, it is in the Wycliffe Bible, and it'd be interesting i it could have been included.

 

 

But more importantly, I was wondering about Ethiopian and Syriac Orthodox Churches, some of which use 1,2, and or 3 Enoch, or other such works. Is it possible to create an ESword Module with the oriental Orthodox Cannons?

 

 

I had thought of this when reviewing Orthodox Materials for my studies, and Ironical also looking at the 2005 Failed "Good As New". I wondered if I could create a Module with all the Orthodox Books in it, and realised this means adding them to the Apocryphal segments.

 

Is that possible?

 

For "Good As New", if I ever got permission that'd be easy. While GAN has an extra book, the Gospel Of Thomas, it also removes books, like 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus, so one could conceivably add Thomas to one of he now missing slots, and make a special notation of it. But what if I wanted The Orthodox Tewahedo Cannon which includes all of the Books in the current ESword registry, including the LXX Cannon, but lacks  the Paralipomena of Jeremias, Jubilees, Enoch, and three books of Meqabyan?

 

 

Maybe I'm being too ambitious but, I was just curious if this were possible.

Edited by S.k. Williams, 22 April 2014 - 06:06 AM.

[DSaw]

So are you looking for one module that has it all

 

or modules that have the books your looking for I found some 

 

http://www.biblesupp...of-edentopxexe/

 

http://www.biblesupp...ionary-travels/

 

http://www.biblesupp...ionary-travels/

 

http://www.biblesupp...ionary-travels/

 

http://www.biblesupp...englishtopxexe/

 

if I remember josh had created one with allot of Apocryphal books I will search his content and see if i can find it

 

http://www.biblesupp...apocrypha-1769/

Edited by DSaw, 22 April 2014 - 11:44 AM.

[S.k. Williams]

I was hoping for one module with all the books in The Orthodox Tewahedo Cannon, includign the texts that they possess that aren't in the LXX. Perhaps also the Syriac Cannon.

 

I was wondering if it were possible to include them in the apocryphal segments.

[patchworkid]

Hi

you can create a topic (book) module of the material you want of your choice. But if you want to make a bible module, you are limited to what e-Sword can display.
You can add extra text to the bible but you can not click on the extra verses. Look at how the Apocrypha bibles is displayed.

Thanks

[patchworkid]

Hi all,

 

 

Question: "What is the Book of Jasher/Jashar and should it be in the Bible?"

Answer: Also known as the “Book of the Upright One” in the Greek Septuagint and the “Book of the Just Ones” in the Latin Vulgate, the Book of Jasher was probably a collection or compilation of ancient Hebrew songs and poems praising the heroes of Israel and their exploits in battle. The Book of Jasher is mentioned inJoshua 10:12-13 when the Lord stopped the sun in the middle of the day during the battle of Beth Horon. It is also mentioned in 2Sa_1:18-27 as containing the Song or Lament of the Bow, that mournful funeral song which David composed at the time of the death of Saul and Jonathan. 

The question is, if the Book of Jasher is mentioned in the Bible, why was it left out of the canon of Scripture? We know that God directed the authors of the Scriptures to use passages from many and various extra-biblical sources in composing His Word. The passage recorded in Jos_10:13 is a good example. In recording this battle, Joshua included passages from the Book of Jasher not because it was his only source of what occurred; rather, he was stating, in effect, “If you don’t believe what I’m saying, then go read it in the Book of Jasher. Even that book has a record of this event.”

There are other Hebrew works that are mentioned in the Bible that God directed the authors to use. Some of these include the Book of the Wars of the Lord (Num_21:14), the Book of Samuel the Seer, the Book of Nathan the Prophet, and the Book of Gad the Seer (1Ch_29:29). Also, there are the Acts of Rehoboam and the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah (1Ki_14:29). We also know that Solomon composed more than a thousand songs (1Ki_4:32), yet only two are preserved in the book of Psalms (72 and 127). Writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, Paul included a quotation from the Cretan poet Epimenides (Tit_1:12) and quoted from the poets Epimenides and Aratus in his speech at Athens (Act_17:28). 

The point is that the divine Author of the Bible used materials chosen from many different sources, fitting them into His grand design for the Scriptures. We must understand that history as recorded in the Bible did not occur in isolation. The people mentioned in the Bible interacted with other people. For example, though the Bible is clear that there is only one God, the Bible mentions a number of the gods people worshipped both within Israel and in the nations around. Similarly, as in Act_17:28 and Tit_1:12, we sometimes find secular writers being quoted. This doesn't mean that these quoted writers were inspired. It simply means they happened to say something that was useful in making a point.

There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.

In the end, we must conclude that the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Bible was lost and has not survived to modern times. All we really know about it is found in the two Scripture quotations mentioned earlier. The other books by that title are mere fictions or Jewish moral treatises.

 

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Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible?"

Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Gen_5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him." (Gen_5:24; see also Heb_11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.

The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.

Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Tit_1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Gen_5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jud_1:14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

 

what do you think?

 

thanks