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[Tj Higgins]

Or, incorrect settings in e-Sword: Options -> Strong's # ToolTip ; check to see if Vines is listed and available.

The module is lacking both verse Tooltips and strongs number formating to make Strongs number information pop up

[johanseb]

Why thoso who sell the module don´t fix it? 

Thanks

[Tj Higgins]

Why thoso who sell the module don´t fix it? 

Thanks

The creators of the Vine's e-Sword module, copied the print version of the dictionary into the module. The print version does not include the H or G before the strongs numbers which e-Sword uses for all dictionaries containing Strong's number.

Here is a sample of an entry in Vine's Dictionary:
 

Abase

<1,,5013,tapeinoo>

signifies "to make low, bring low," (a) of bringing to the ground, making level, reducing to a plain, as in Luk_3:5; ( metaphorically in the Active Voice, to bring to a humble condition, "to abase," 2Co_11:7, and in the Passive, "to be abased," Phi_4:12; in Mat_23:12; Luk_14:11; Luk_18:14, the AV has "shall be abased," the RV "shall be humbled." It is translated "humble yourselves" in the Middle Voice sense in Jam_4:10; 1Pe_5:6; "humble," in Mat_18:4; 2Co_12:21 and Phi_2:8. See HUMBLE, LOW. Cp., tapeinos, "lowly," tapeinois, "humiliation," and tapeinophrosune, "humility."

 

 

The four digit number in the first line after the title is the Strong's # for the word "Abase". As you can see it is not Tooltipped as the verse references are, thus the unformatted Strong's number has no functionallity in e-Sword. In e-Sword modules the Strong's number would be expressed as G5013 which allow it to be formatted by ToolTip NT.

Edited by Tj Higgins, 22 February 2023 - 02:37 PM.

[Tj Higgins]

I have created a fully working Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words my module contains both the OT and NT words. 

To create or rather repair this module I first chose a complete module that I converted from a Word module to an e-Sword dctx module. After opening the converted module in Tooltip however I discovered the conversion created a module containing multiple html errors. The html errors were link errors related to the verse Tooltipping and they were throught the module. I quicky realized this would a time consuming effort and decided to find another way.

I remembered that I have individual modules of Vine's OT and NT Dictionaries already installed in e-Sword, So I opened the OT module in ToolTip here is an example of an entry as found in the individual OT module:
 

Usage Number: 1

Strong's Number: <H7998>

Original Word: shalal

Usage Notes: "booty; prey; spoil; plunder; gain." This word occurs 75 times and in all periods of biblical Hebrew. Shalal literally means "prey," which an animal tracks down, kills, and eats: "Benjamin shall raven as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey [shalal], and at night he shall divide the spoil" (Gen. 49:27, the first occurrence). The word may mean "booty" or "spoil of war," which includes anything and everything a soldier or army captures from an enemy and carries off: "But the women, and the little ones, … even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself …" (Deut. 20:14). An entire nation can be "plunder" or a "spoil of war" (Jer. 50:10). To "save one's own life as booty" is to have one's life spared (cf. Jer. 21:9).

 

Shalal is used in a few passages of "private plunder": "Woe unto them that … turn aside the needy from judgment, and … take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!" (Isa. 10:1-2).

 

This word may also represent "private gain": "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil" (Prov. 31:11).

Neither the cross references or the Strong's # are properly formated for e-Sword use as they are not tooltipped. The text in the module does match the print edition of Vine's dictionary exactly however

 

Using tooltip I corrected this issue and now the module has pop-ups for all cross references and all Hebrew Strongs #'s. 

Fixing the NT module was a bit more of a daunting task, as the entires in that module have a different layout then the one used in the OT module.

 

The entries in the NT module does have the cross references tooltipped, the Greek Strongs #'s are not formatted for e-Sword use.

Here is an example taken from Tooltip NT:
 

÷Abase

<1,,5013,tapeinoo>

signifies "to make low, bring low," (a) of bringing to the ground, making level, reducing to a plain, as in Luk_3:5; ( metaphorically in the Active Voice, to bring to a humble condition, "to abase," 2Co_11:7, and in the Passive, "to be abased," Phi_4:12; in Mat_23:12; Luk_14:11; Luk_18:14, the AV has "shall be abased," the RV "shall be humbled." It is translated "humble yourselves" in the Middle Voice sense in Jam_4:10; 1Pe_5:6; "humble," in Mat_18:4; 2Co_12:21 and Phi_2:8. See HUMBLE, LOW. Cp., tapeinos, "lowly," tapeinois, "humiliation," and tapeinophrosune, "humility."

 

 

Again the text of the above example matches the text of entry in the print version of Vine's dictionary

 

The Greek Strongs number 5013 does not have a capital G before the number 5, Tooltip does not recognize it has a Strongs number. The lack of correct formatting of the Strongs # does not open a popup when the number is moused over. Using Tooltip I was able to correct this issue but it took some clever find and replace actions to get it done. 

Once I had the NT module corrected and working I was ready to combine the two but before that I discovered the both module were missing an important header variable. The variable in question was #define sorttype=1 which is the variable setting that results in e-Sword dictionary entries being sorted alphabetically. 

With last issue corrected and did a cut and paste of the OT entries into  the NT module which includes Vine's notes about certain prepositions and particles in the dictionary text. Then had Tooltip generate and brand new dictionary module which contains a complete and fully funtional Vine's dictionary

 

 
 

Edited by Tj Higgins, 05 March 2023 - 03:26 PM.

[GWSwordUser]

I think the comment made by fotiost is still relevant, "Considering that Vines is a paid module, I expected it to intergrate just as well as the free modules." I recently purchased the module and will leave a review siting this discussion. I would hope that the developers of the module would fix the problems and issue an update.

 

Regarding PeanutGallery's comment, is there a way for me to get the Vines module to show up in this list, or is that something that the developer has to do?

 

Thank you,

GW

[Tj Higgins]

I think the comment made by fotiost is still relevant, "Considering that Vines is a paid module, I expected it to intergrate just as well as the free modules." I recently purchased the module and will leave a review siting this discussion. I would hope that the developers of the module would fix the problems and issue an update.

 

Regarding PeanutGallery's comment, is there a way for me to get the Vines module to show up in this list, or is that something that the developer has to do?

 

Thank you,

GW

With the repairs/corrections I have made to the module it now has better intergration with tooltipped Strongs numbers. This allows for the strongs information to appear in pop ups when the strongs numbers are hovered over in the Vines dictionary module.

 

The module as originally created was a simple copy and paste job from the printed version. The print version does not contain strongs definitions nor does the original  e-Sword module version contain strongs definintions. The link feature links bible modules by words and strongs numbers. So if one clicks a word in a bible text such as God, all of the dictionaries containing information about God will have blue lights in their tabs in the dictionary window. 

As test I clicked the word God in Gen 1:! in the KJV+ module and there are blue lights in 11 of the tabs in my dictionary window, Including Vines. However when I click the strongs # for God which is H430 in the KJV+ module only the dictionary modules that contain strongs defintions have the blue lights in their respective tabs. This because only these module include strongs defintions.

The solution to this is issue would be the creation of a Vines and Strong's combined module



 

[GWSwordUser]

I had an e-mail conversation with Phil from www.estudysource.com regarding this topic. Here are his comments:

 

"Vines is a Dictionary module in e-Sword, NOT a Lexical resource, like Strong’s or Complete WSD. It is a “reverse Strong’s” so it links via English words, not Strong’s numbers.

 

To search Vines using English words, enter your English word in the search window. To search Vines by Strong’s number: right click in the Vines Dict. window, and search using Strong’s number.

 

We look forward to serving you with bestselling e-Sword resources."

 

Following up another question from me he said:

 

"I should have clarified that the right mouse search functionality is for iOS e-Sword formats. You might want to check with Rick Meyers for PC and Android: rick@e-sword.net."

 

He may have read our thread (I invited him to look at it) and then wanted me to post the following:

 

Please also inform the community regarding copyright for all Vines content: copyright for all Vine’s publications was restored to W.E. Vine successors (W.E. Copyright Ltd.) via the GATT Treaty. Thomas Nelson obtained exclusive publishing rights for Vine’s publications from them. eStudySource licensed the right to publish and sell Vine's in e-Sword format from Thomas Nelson. Distribution or sale of Vine's content without a license from Thomas Nelson is a violation of copyright and is subject to legal action.

 

Here is the copyright notice in eStudySource’s edition of Vines: "Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, © 1984, 1996, Thomas Nelson, Inc., Nashville, TN; a compilation work published under an exclusive arrangement with W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd. of Bath, England. First Published in 1985 by Thomas Nelson, Inc., as a compilation of Vine's Expository Ditionary of New Testament Words, © 1968, which copyright is now restored by the GATT Treaty to W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd., Bath, England; and Nelson's Expository Dictionary of the Old Testament, © 1980, Thomas Nelson, Inc., and Topical Index © 1996, W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd. of Bath, England.”

 

I understand that TJ made his edits on his own purchased copy of the dictionary and is not making it available to us here but only using it for himself. I don't know if Phil caught that. 

 

As I understand it, it all boils down to the difference between a lexicon and a dictionary.

 

GW

[Tj Higgins]

I had an e-mail conversation with Phil from www.estudysource.com regarding this topic. Here are his comments:

 

"Vines is a Dictionary module in e-Sword, NOT a Lexical resource, like Strong’s or Complete WSD. It is a “reverse Strong’s” so it links via English words, not Strong’s numbers.

 

To search Vines using English words, enter your English word in the search window. To search Vines by Strong’s number: right click in the Vines Dict. window, and search using Strong’s number.

 

We look forward to serving you with bestselling e-Sword resources."

 

Following up another question from me he said:

 

"I should have clarified that the right mouse search functionality is for iOS e-Sword formats. You might want to check with Rick Meyers for PC and Android: rick@e-sword.net."

 

He may have read our thread (I invited him to look at it) and then wanted me to post the following:

 

Please also inform the community regarding copyright for all Vines content: copyright for all Vine’s publications was restored to W.E. Vine successors (W.E. Copyright Ltd.) via the GATT Treaty. Thomas Nelson obtained exclusive publishing rights for Vine’s publications from them. eStudySource licensed the right to publish and sell Vine's in e-Sword format from Thomas Nelson. Distribution or sale of Vine's content without a license from Thomas Nelson is a violation of copyright and is subject to legal action.

 

Here is the copyright notice in eStudySource’s edition of Vines: "Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, © 1984, 1996, Thomas Nelson, Inc., Nashville, TN; a compilation work published under an exclusive arrangement with W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd. of Bath, England. First Published in 1985 by Thomas Nelson, Inc., as a compilation of Vine's Expository Ditionary of New Testament Words, © 1968, which copyright is now restored by the GATT Treaty to W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd., Bath, England; and Nelson's Expository Dictionary of the Old Testament, © 1980, Thomas Nelson, Inc., and Topical Index © 1996, W.E. Vine Copyright Ltd. of Bath, England.”

 

I understand that TJ made his edits on his own purchased copy of the dictionary and is not making it available to us here but only using it for himself. I don't know if Phil caught that. 

 

As I understand it, it all boils down to the difference between a lexicon and a dictionary.

 

GW

First I did not edit the premium or paid Vine's module as that is not possible as premium modules are locked and cannot be edited. I had individual Vines modules for the OT and NT which were editable and edited those two modules. I then combined the two single modules in to one module containing both the edited OT and NT dictionaries. Those two individual module were made available to me via another e-Sword user.

I have no plans to upload my edited module anywhere for distribution as I am aware of the copyright issues. 

As I have said before a merged module containing both Vines Dictionary and Strong's numbers would create the functionality the OP originally was asking about 

Edited by Tj Higgins, 09 March 2023 - 12:14 PM.