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[Tim Butterfield]

@mikecindi I only brought up the macros because, since they offered that functionality I looked for it in the e-Sword icons and found that e-Sword did have it accessible with an icon. I just didn't separate that portion from my comment about the macros sufficiently for it to be noticed. Sorry about that.

"Which led me to experiment and discover that the copy verses icon (under the Bibles (translations)) tabs in the main window, sixth from the left/third from the search icon) does allow copying references that cross chapter boundaries."

@BH How would I be able to use the macros if I didn't have the word proc program they were designed to work with? I have been considering switching to Open Office since it is free, and my Office 2003 is getting a bit dated, but the macros don't seem to work with it.

[BH.]

@BH How would I be able to use the macros if I didn't have the word proc program they were designed to work with? I have been considering switching to Open Office since it is free, and my Office 2003 is getting a bit dated, but the macros don't seem to work with it.

Tooltip and e-Sword Hotkey use the Macro software. In fact, using the verse finding routines in these programs, gives them an advantage over using the Macros in MS-Word. In Word, you can lookup a single reference at a time. With Tooltip, you can lookup many at one time, assuming you have the references in a list or in a document. In Tooltip, with your source document open, assuming you have installed any version of the macros, click the "ESM" menu, and then "Lookup". The references will be looked up and displayed. You can then copy and paste them into another word processor or back into Tooltip if you like for editing, printing, what ever. NOTE - your document does not have to be just a list of references. Tooltip will pick out the references for you.

Example, suppose your document looked like this:

"First reference: John 3:16, 17. second reference: Romans 3:4. Third reference: Revelation 14:12."

Then, click "ESM+Lookup". The result would be this:

John 3:16-17 AKJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Romans 3:4 AKJV God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

Revelation 14:12 AKJV Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You can change the Bible version, and the display style if you wish. I'll change from AKJV to NRSV, and from Copy/Style #6 to #1 and repeat the ESM+Lookup.

John 3:16 NRSV "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
John 3:17 NRSV "Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Romans 3:4 NRSV By no means! Although everyone is a liar, let God be proved true, as it is written, "So that you may be justified in your words, and prevail in your judging."

Revelation 14:12 NRSV Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.

[BH.]

Oh - and e-Sword Hotkey will do the same think as the ESM+Lookup in Tooltip, only it will do it for any open document were you can copy text to the Clipboard. So you can lookup references in an open PDF file, DOC file, or Web browser. Select your text, which can contain a list of references, copy the selection to the clipboard, then press the "Hotkey" which you pre-assign in Hotkey. DONE.

[Tim Butterfield]

The main advantage for the macros, is that e-Sword does not have to be running for them to work, as I read the instructions for Hotkey and tooltip NT e-sword has to be running to use them. Even with dual core processors yielding 2.2 gig speed and 4 gig of memory loading the number of Bible translations, Commentaries and Dictionaries I generally use in addition to my word processor eats up quite a bit of my resources.

[BH.]

The main advantage for the macros, is that e-Sword does not have to be running for them to work, as I read the instructions for Hotkey and tooltip NT e-sword has to be running to use them. Even with dual core processors yielding 2.2 gig speed and 4 gig of memory loading the number of Bible translations, Commentaries and Dictionaries I generally use in addition to my word processor eats up quite a bit of my resources.

e-Sword does NOT have to be running for the macros to work in Tooltip or Hotkey. You have incorrect information. Where did you read this? Now, there is one more of Hotkey where yes, e-Sword needs to be running, and that is if you want to look up references in e-Sword.

I do not think you yet understand how the macros work in Tooltip or Hotkey. I don't think you understand how Hotkey can give ANY word processing program capabilities that exceed the standard macro functions as they appear in Word.

Edited by BH., 07 August 2012 - 02:01 PM.

[mikecindi]

You do not need to have Word installed, in order to install the macros.

That's good to know as it's not intuitive and without the macros installed the ESM menu is not present in ToolTip. Knowing this is very helpful.

[Tim Butterfield]

e-Sword does NOT have to be running for the macros to work in Tooltip or Hotkey. You have incorrect information. Where did you read this? Now, there is one more of Hotkey where yes, e-Sword needs to be running, and that is if you want to look up references in e-Sword.

I do not think you yet understand how the macros work in Tooltip or Hotkey. I don't think you understand how Hotkey can give ANY word processing program capabilities that exceed the standard macro functions as they appear in Word.

Where did I read it?

From the read me file of the Hot Key zip: "E-Sword HotKey works in conjunction with E-Sword on Microsoft Windows. With E-Sword running, while working in any other program, such as Mozilla Firefox, IE, MS-Word, WordPad, Adobe PDF file, etc, select a section of text that contains a Bible Text Reference, press the Ctrl key and C (Ctrl+C) to copy the selected text to the Windows Clipboard, then press the F11 key, the default hot key, which HotKey is looking for.

You are right, I don't understand,sure reads like e-sword needs to be running to me. I have been using the macros for many years because they are simple and uncomplicated, hit the icon on my WP's toolbar and the rest is very intuitive. No hot keys or anything else to remember just respond to the window and the reference I want is "automagically" pasted to the document I am working on, or the "active" translation is changed, or the search is done depending on which icon I hit.

You are right, I don't understand how hot key does what you say it does, I will keep trying to understand since (as I said) I would like to modernize my word processing program without spending an arm and a leg by switching to open office (the Office/Word macros don't work in it at least I haven't been able to get them to). Perhaps I am too old to conquer new methods.

[BH.]

Hotkey has 2 modes - one looks up a SINGLE reference in e-Sword. This is so you can read the text in context and have access to all the references you have in e-Sword. This is not what you were asking for in your opening post. The second mode is the one I perceive you were wanting, and that is to look up multiple references. The latter mode does NOT require having e-Sword running.

It does not cost you anything to try these programs. So the price is right.

[mikecindi]

@BH. Both options work well for what I am doing, reduce the errors (human specifically) and the time requirement. Thank you very much for creating these utilities.

[BH.]

So you have figured out how you can lookup MANY references at one time?