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[larryj999]

I have been having some fun with Tooltip NT. One of my first projects was to create a lemma-based Hebrew dictionary where the topics are in consonantal Hebrew and the article is mostly English mixed in with Hebrew. The articles worked out fine, but the topics ended up all question marks. I'm guessing this is some text encoding issue, but as noted the articles all displayed OK.

Any ideas?

[Josh Bond]

I have been having some fun with Tooltip NT. One of my first projects was to create a lemma-based Hebrew dictionary where the topics are in consonantal Hebrew and the article is mostly English mixed in with Hebrew. The articles worked out fine, but the topics ended up all question marks. I'm guessing this is some text encoding issue, but as noted the articles all displayed OK.

Any ideas?

When you say "the articles worked out fine", what are "articles"? Dictionary entries? And how are you defining "topics". Actual topx files?

What type of module are you trying to create that is not working? And if you could post the RTF file your using, that would also be helpful in troubleshooting.

Josh

[ebulerdo]

Hi Larry

One of my first projects was to create a lemma-based Hebrew dictionary where the topics are in consonantal Hebrew and the article is mostly English mixed in with Hebrew. The articles worked out fine, but the topics ended up all question marks. I'm guessing this is some text encoding issue, but as noted the articles all displayed OK.

Unfortunately, e-Sword doesn't support Greek or Hebrew characters in dictionary topics. That's why Strong numbers are used instead. Do you have a way to replace the lemmas with their Strong numbers?

Let's hope a better unicode support in topics will be implemented in a future version.

When you say "the articles worked out fine", what are "articles"? Dictionary entries? And how are you defining "topics". Actual topx files?

Josh: I understand "topics" as entries, the words to explain in the dictionary, and "articles" as the definitions. E-Sword itself uses the expression "topic list" to refer to the list of words in the dictionary. Any Hebrew characters in the words in that list will be shown as ?? signs by e-Sword.

Regards,

Carlos

[Josh Bond]

Hi Larry



Unfortunately, e-Sword doesn't support Greek or Hebrew characters in dictionary topics. That's why Strong numbers are used instead. Do you have a way to replace the lemmas with their Strong numbers?

Let's hope a better unicode support in topics will be implemented in a future version.



Josh: I understand "topics" as entries, the words to explain in the dictionary, and "articles" as the definitions. E-Sword itself uses the expression "topic list" to refer to the list of words in the dictionary. Any Hebrew characters in the words in that list will be shown as ?? signs by e-Sword.

Regards,

Carlos

There ya go Carlos, your interpretation of his words is way better than mine. And your right, the lack of unicode support in Dictionary topics is what prevents works like Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek from being converted to e-Sword format.

[larryj999]

Sorry, Josh, I never have learned the name of those dictionary thingies. I was trying to create a .DCTX file. Carlos' comments are consistent with what I am seeing ... the double ?? in the topics. In any event, it is clearly a different result between the topics and the entries.

Carlos, I was coming from a source that had Strong's numbers, but I was specifically trying to create a lemma based dictionary. All of this was something of a workaround. I am primarily a 'theWord' user and I have their Westminster Hebrew Morphology module. And I couldn't recommend the module more highly to anyone trying to learn hebrew grammar. However, it is also a source of frustration in that it only deals with the morphology. Finding the meaning of the root is another task and distracting. Since the module contains lemma information, my thought was to create a dictionary based on that and see what happens.

And in fact, it does work.
 WHMeg1.jpg   137.69K   44 downloads
Since the test data was already formatted and ready to go, I ended up creating a lemma dictionary through theWord's import utility. When configured appropriately, the dictionary pops up along with the morphology. Considering that this dictionary has 2700+ entries compared to Strongs' 8600+, this has worked out better than expected. Now for a more complete source ...

Attached also find the rtf file I was working with.

Thank you both.

Larry

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[Josh Bond]

Sorry, Josh, I never have learned the name of those dictionary thingies. I was trying to create a .DCTX file. Carlos' comments are consistent with what I am seeing ... the double ?? in the topics. In any event, it is clearly a different result between the topics and the entries.

Carlos, I was coming from a source that had Strong's numbers, but I was specifically trying to create a lemma based dictionary. All of this was something of a workaround. I am primarily a 'theWord' user and I have their Westminster Hebrew Morphology module. And I couldn't recommend the module more highly to anyone trying to learn hebrew grammar. However, it is also a source of frustration in that it only deals with the morphology. Finding the meaning of the root is another task and distracting. Since the module contains lemma information, my thought was to create a dictionary based on that and see what happens.

And in fact, it does work.
 WHMeg1.jpg   137.69K   44 downloads
Since the test data was already formatted and ready to go, I ended up creating a lemma dictionary through theWord's import utility. When configured appropriately, the dictionary pops up along with the morphology. Considering that this dictionary has 2700+ entries compared to Strongs' 8600+, this has worked out better than expected. Now for a more complete source ...

Attached also find the rtf file I was working with.

Thank you both.

Larry

Larry,

Right, I understand. The issue is you can't have unicode in the dictionary topics (the word list) in e-Sword. They appear as question marks. It's not a limitation of ToolTip NT or a problem with the way you made the RTF file--e-Sword doesn't support it.

[larryj999]

Our posts crossed in the mail. The unicode issue seemed to be the case from Carlos' comments. It would be nice to someday have a basic tool for the database illiterate.

[JPG]

However, it is also a source of frustration in that it only deals with the morphology. Finding the meaning of the root is another task and distracting. Since the module contains lemma information, my thought was to create a dictionary based on that and see what happens.

Larry, you should be able to get a popup of TWOT, or Mickelson with the WHM database. Is that not what you need? Have I missed your point?
Jon

[larryj999]

Yes, I guess it does. Mickelson's has not been the default Strong or word definition choice since before WHM was installed. Very nice. Thank you. Is it picking up on the lemma, or something else?

Another point. There seems to be a glitch in TW with regard to RTL display in the popup. Note the JPG. In a book view it will display correctly, but in the popup it displays as if RTL is selected in the module defaults.

Thanks once again Jon.

[JPG]

Hi Larry can we discuss this on theWord forum.
http://forum.theword...?p=23763#p23763

Thanks

Jon