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#11 MJ_

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:10 PM

All I'm saying is that if you want to make sure you have the latest version of a module (the vast majority of which are never updated after the initial upload), just "follow" it, and then you get a notification if it is ever uploaded. I would venture to say that--at most--you'd be lucky to receive ten notifications per month. At this juncture, that is the only way I know of to try to make sure all your modules from BibleSupport are up-to-date. I'm open to any other realistic options (that being not searching the "latest updates" section of the website every day for changes to the modules I've downloaded).


I like the idea of the follow button but I tend to forget to click it before heading directly into the download. It does seem to me that there are typically not that many updates so the feature seems like it would have benefits.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:28 PM

Larry,

For some reason, I missed the catalog/database aspect of the original question. Thanks.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:37 PM

All I'm saying is that if you want to make sure you have the latest version of a module (the vast majority of which are never updated after the initial upload), just "follow" it,


The "problem" with that solution, is that it requires immediate downloading of the resource.

If BibleSupport has an RSS feed for each program that are offered here, construction of a tool to cross-check what one has installed, with what is new, or has been updated, would be much simpler.

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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:00 PM

Another 'down side' that I can see is the massive amounts of bandwidth that such a tool would use. Right now it takes several 'mouse-clicks' to burrow down to the download, then you go to your next module to update - it takes a little time.

With a Module Download app many people would just hit the "GET ALL" button and let the computer run all night. That's OK I guess, except the registered user list is becoming really large - where will we be in 12 months, 40,000 users?

Also, there is easily a few more thousand modules either available or yet to be made; especially forgien language modules. Also there are the modules for TheWord and MySword. This site is big and has the potential to get much bigger.

And then there is the security - you're big, you become a target.. Josh Bond is da man! LOL. Please forgive my spelling.

Edited by LarryG, 06 May 2012 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 06 May 2012 - 09:01 PM

There is a feature on BibleSupport.com which allows you to "follow" a file/upload. You will get a notification any time it has been updated. If you want to always have the latest version, then "follow" each file that you've downloaded, and then when any one is updated, you will be alerted to it, and can go download the new version.


Hi Brad,
Not that I'm aware of. I reckon that this is an option Josh can put in the users account settings, or on the download page of where the file is located, or something of that nature.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:51 AM

Hey folks,

Below the large, green download button on the file listing page is a "Follow this File" button. This will email you when an update is released.
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e-Sword was never designed for a user to have an unlimited number of resources. That's evident from the Bible, commentary, and dictionary tab displays. When you have too many tabs, the screen fails to redraw properly. And if you list all those resources with the one line option, it becomes impossible to navigate easily. You have to manually scroll the visible tab area. This is one reason I've found those with zillions of modules have no idea what they have or much about most resources, other than what they can peruse in a spreadsheet. :)

This is a sign that e-Sword wasn't designed for module collectors. And unfortunately, this website wasn't either. I don't prohibit anyone from downloading everything we have. I understand that humans will collect anything. I agree that it's very frustrating to see something, then later want it, and regret not having downloaded it. Historically e-Sword sites haven't lasted a long time, so I understand the fear.

But I don't have a technical solution that enables the automated downloading of resources in massive quantities. I'd rather make modules for the 99.9% of normal users than code solutions for the 0.1% of module collectors. I'm not knocking you guys, I understand why you do what you do. I just don't have a technical solution. :)

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 02:57 PM

This is a sign that e-Sword wasn't designed for module collectors. And unfortunately, this website wasn't either. I don't prohibit anyone from downloading everything we have. I understand that humans will collect anything. I agree that it's very frustrating to see something, then later want it, and regret not having downloaded it. Historically e-Sword sites haven't lasted a long time, so I understand the fear.

But I don't have a technical solution that enables the automated downloading of resources in massive quantities. I'd rather make modules for the 99.9% of normal users than code solutions for the 0.1% of module collectors. I'm not knocking you guys, I understand why you do what you do. I just don't have a technical solution. :)


Some good insight there. thanks..

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:39 PM

e-Sword was never designed for a user to have an unlimited number of resources.


Hi Josh,
Now, you have never said a truer word in your life, and have hit the proverbial name on the head.

All,
e-Sword, as with any computer software has limited capability and capacity to run effectively and efficiently, and are totally dependent on hardware performance capabilities. And the two main pieces of hardware your computer uses to do the work it needs to do are:
  • The amount of RAM (Random Access Memory). Includes both the main RAM and Graphics Card RAM
  • The Speed of the CPU (Central Processing Unit).
Your computer has been set for the total amount of RAM it can take without Flashing the BIOS (Basic In/Out System). If you have the latest machine, your computer maximum capacity for RAM in the BIOS setting (if came with e.g., 4GB) may be 10 or 12GB. That is the total amount of RAM you can upgrade to without flashing (updating) the BIOS.

Then you have to consider the amount of RAM your Operating System uses. Windows (irrespective of the version) is RAM hungry, and will gobble up about 70 or 80% of your total RAM. And when you put that into perspective, it doesn't leave you that much Memory to play with. Moreover, when you load up an Application (a program), it uses more of your RAM. If you have a lot of files or a huge file for the Application to load, then even more RAM is going to be required.

But, that is not the end of it, you now have the CPU coming into play, because it there you have the "brain" of your system. It is that which processes all the data, programs, and information you put in your computer. Your Operating System also uses the CPU to process the data it needs to send to it, and Windows can and does use about 80 to 90% of the CPU's resources.

Putting all this together and summarizing it with what Josh said, "e-Sword was never designed for a user to have an unlimited number of resources," you can also add, neither is your computer designed to have an unlimited number of resources, especially if you want it to run both effectively and efficiently, and without crashing (locking up and freezing).

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#19 Raymond Barone

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:11 AM

The 'Library Manager 1.4' is a great tool for managing resources already installed, but is there some way to compare whatever is already installed on any individual computer and what is available with updated modules? There have been times I've downloaded modules that had been updated, thinking I had the older series - and was wrong.

Actually, if possible, the perfect tool would present a list of modules available from BibleSupport.Com through some sort of module maniforld and the user could just check-off which modules they wanted. Everything would be automatic, including updates and initial installation. Then, for the module makers, they could submit their modules to Josh to be added upon the list for availability to the public. Perhaps as a seperate small piece of software like ToolTip is....

Just a thought. This is what a brother who deals with Logos modules has done and it works beautifully. (http://www.stilltrut...pbb-updater-v21) PortableApps.dom (http://portableapps.com/) offers the same sort of updater on it's software. It interogates what you already have and then you can add or update, depending on what you want to do.

Also, I would like to add, this website has been up for less than one year. In this short span of time there are already over 18,000 registered users having downloaded almost 3/4 million resources. It seems like an automatic download tool would be an advantage for the foreseeable traffic ahead, in my ever so humble opinion! LOL


I added a column for date in Library Manager, which displays "Date Modified".
But note that changing tab name or description changes the "Date modified" of the file.

#20 Ebed Doulos

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:56 AM

I added a column for date in Library Manager, which displays "Date Modified".
But note that changing tab name or description changes the "Date modified" of the file.


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