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#1 Josh Bond

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 06:40 PM

This project has made its way back to me and the project is mine to either kill or complete. I've spent a couple of hours the past two days reading over the Lange's text and experimenting with formatting.

After consulting with a few other people, it's clear to me that most e-Sword users will not derive a lot of value from Lange's.

The material was written to a Bible academic / scholarly audience back in the 1800s and then it was translated. By today's standards, this text is difficult for many to understand because (most of) our education level and academic understanding is just not equal to the audience Lange originally wrote for. I speak for myself here--I find this text difficult to comprehend on the first read.

Further, this is not a Beliver's Bible Commentary-type-of-resource where you click a verse, and in 30 seconds, you have the author's complete opinion. Indeed, Langes commentary is a mixture of verse-by-verse and long expository comments.

Because of the long comments, I see no way to divide the this text into a true verse-by-verse commentary, without moving the expository types of comments into the Chapter comment area--but then you've distorted the author's meaning by re-ordering sections and because most people will never see those chapter comments. Plus, if you removed the expository comments, many verses would effectively not have a comment. I don't see this as an option.

If you've read this far, your thinking I'm getting ready to kill this project (if you haven't read this far, then you have no business reading Lange's because he's way more verbose than I am!). To the contrary, I'm considering moving forward with the project. One reason is material from this website is frequently converted to other Bible software formats. So I'm encouraged it could be used. But I'd like to have your feedback.

You can read Lange's comments on Genesis 2 here: http://biblecommenta...lange/gen/2.htm

The formatting is not very good. It's all run together. Would we all agree: this text, as it sits on that website, is not very usable? It's not very readable?

Attached to this post is a test e-Sword commentary for Genesis 2 (see verses Gen 2:1-3 and Gen 2:4-25). All the formatting changes were made with a macro and took just a few seconds. It's not perfect--it's just it's a proof of concept. (i.e. one of the tables isn't well formatted, etc.)

My question: is this worth doing for e-Sword and does it stand a chance of really being used? Think of that as you look through this test commentary on Genesis 2. Compare the test e-Sword commentary for Gen 2 with the website above.

The rule of thumb here is: If I can make formatting changes with some code, then we can do it. But if it requires a lot of time per chapter to make Lange's usable, then Lange isn't doable because a lot of time per chapter times all the chapters = years of man hours.

Attached File  lange-gen2.zip   139.23K   8 downloads

#2 Bradley S. Cobb

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 06:56 PM

I'll volunteer to do the book of Philemon!!!!

Honestly, I don't think it is worth making a commentary unless:
1. I personally would use it
2. I think others would use it
3. It has something worthwhile to offer
4. It is at least somewhat useable.

Number three trumps them all, and (at least in my opinion) is what makes #1 and #2 happen. If it has something good to offer, and you can convince people of that, they will dig through a lot of text. Unless you can convince someone it is worth taking the time to read, there's no reason to make the module.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:10 PM

Hi all,

Sorry It was a long six months of just formatting, tool tipping, and proof reading. I will upload what I have done in NT of Lange's cmt. hopefully by Monday.

I have also been extracting the bible from Lange's. Here is what I have done: Attached File  Lange NT Bible.zip   508.63K   6 downloads

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:16 PM

I just looked over Josh test of Gen 2 I looks a lot better than what I did. And It will Be worth doing.
Josh - If you want Remove the Bible from the Text of the cmt and With Cobbs help I can extract the bible form the Cmt. and make the bible separately. Let me know what you think

Thanks again for all your hard work Josh.

Edited by patchworkid, 31 December 2011 - 07:23 PM.

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#5 Bradley S. Cobb

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:47 PM

I'm working on converting the NT text itself into a usable format so we can at least have the Lange's Bible. It's the KJV, but with his own notes in the text.

Brad

Edited by Cobb78, 31 December 2011 - 08:05 PM.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:51 PM

HI I just tried to make the NT into a cmt but it failed. I can try to put it into a topic format.

Sorry but I will not be able to do this, but I uploaded the work I have done. Here it is:http://www.biblesupp...s-cmt-of-ot-nt/

thanks

Edited by patchworkid, 31 December 2011 - 08:27 PM.

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#7 exscentric

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 11:38 AM

Kind of hesitant to give opinion to the workers while i sit on the sideline enjoying your fruits, but I would give a hearty "go for it" on Langes whether by commentary or topical, I think it would be a worth while resource for indepth study. I downloaded the pdf and that would suffice but for convenience having it in esword would be nicer :-)

Actually, just talk someone into a pdf reader for e-sword and ....... of course that is repeating myself :-)

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 12:45 PM

I fall into Cobb78's #2 if people will use it choice

If enough people will use it apposed to how much man hours it will take

I would say put it on shelf for a later time

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ALSO: I have been thinking about this off and on for years has anyone ever thought about jointly working on a project

Have a project leader who would setup how to format and sections, Vol's to work on and then combine the work

Kind of like a guild

Edited by DSaw, 01 January 2012 - 12:52 PM.

May God change our hearts to what the truth is

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Rom_9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

2Ti 2:24-25  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 
 

 

 


#9 Ebed Doulos

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 01:01 PM

ALSO: I have been thinking about this off and on for years has anyone ever thought about jointly working on a project

Have a project leader who would setup how to format and sections, Vol's to work on and then combine the work

Kind of like a guild


I believe that is how Dr. Dave has produced some of his work.
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 01:08 PM

I believe that is how Dr. Dave has produced some of his work.


I know they proofed each other works but I think they worked on there own

But DR.D will have to answer that If he is so inclined to

AND sorry for getting off topic

Edited by DSaw, 01 January 2012 - 01:13 PM.

May God change our hearts to what the truth is

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Rom_9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

2Ti 2:24-25  And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 
 

 

 





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