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#16076 CS Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia

Posted by dauex on 02 March 2013 - 08:30 PM in Copyright & Licensing

C. S. Lewis' family has renewed the copyright on all of his works. This means that the copyright expires, in the United States, 95 years after the books' publication dates.  
 
Some have been found available commercially but only if copy protected
 
[[i.e. locked up tight with royalties paid - most likely not e-sword]]  
 
[[Just reporting what I found on another site]]
 



#16030 Digitize a book special request

Posted by dauex on 28 February 2013 - 10:26 PM in Module Requests

I'll do it.  I grabbed the text and will format it and have it ready in a couple of weeks.

"I'm looking for a book by F.W. Krummacher called The Risen Redeemer: the Gospel from the Resurrection to the Day of Pentecost. The text ain't available in good form. " <JesusLives>

 

Question: Where did you find the text?  




#15998 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 27 February 2013 - 09:58 AM in Modules In Progress


I posted three sample 1609 / 1582 PDF pages - am hoping that someone can OCR them and then the rest of the 2872 pages.
 
By the way - other then I don't like the changes Challoner made there is nothing wrong with the DR in E-sword
Just as long as you understand you have the version of 1750 and not the original 

The 2872 pages include not only the Bible text but a complete detailed Catholic study Bible. Both the 1609 / 1582 and the Challoner 1750 [the 'official' E-Sword version] versions were the official English language Bibles accepted by the Catholic church.  




#15957 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 24 February 2013 - 05:19 PM in Modules In Progress

I might be missing something here. What's wrong with the official version of the DRB available for download from within e-Sword?

 

Please be so kind as to review page 1 post  #10;  page 2  #11;  page 2 #12 of this thread 
 
The DR NT was first published in 1582
The DR OT was first published in 1609
In about 1750 it was updated by Challoner who made it read more like the KJV.
 
The official E-Sword version is a copy of the Challoner version   1750 (or so)
 
The posts above show three examples of differences between the two versions.  Gen 1:5; Psa 1:1 and Mat 2:1
 
There are source files posted on the internet that CLAIM to be the 1609/1582 version but are really the 1750 version.
The problem is that the title page of all DR including the Challoner versions read as 1609 / 1582 with the comments that they are Challoner versions hidden several pages inside. [[some do have it on the title page but not all - fun]]
 
The person who started this thread (or chain) got fooled into using one of those versions.
I posted three sample 1609 / 1582 PDF pages - am hoping that someone can OCR them and then the rest of the 2872 pages.
 
By the way - other then I don't like the changes Challoner made there is nothing wrong with the DR in E-sword
Just as long as you understand you have the version of 1750 and not the original 



#15954 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 24 February 2013 - 01:37 PM in Modules In Progress

Attached File  DR 1042 ps1.pdf   77.67K   5 downloads

Attached File  DR 2105 mat 2.pdf   72.5K   1 downloads

 

Have two more pages

Psa 1:1   and Mat 2:1

 

Hope that someone can OCR these files

 

 




#15941 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 23 February 2013 - 09:51 PM in Modules In Progress

Attached File  DR1609 G1.pdf   93.03K   1 downloads


SOME people don't edit the OCR results.  When you hear Josh talk about a "pump and dump module," he's talking about people who just OCR it (or take the OCR'd version from Archive.org or some other website) and throw it into a module as though it was a finished product.  That's caused many people to simply delete what would have otherwise been useful modules.

 

Great! Some just don't care
If this loads it is page 19 of the PDF that I have 
Gen 1:1-11 
When printed 8.5 by 11 the margins are about one inch on both sides
There are lots of comments in both margins
There are also lots of comments in the center column between chapters
 
DR 1609 G1.pdf   
 
Also [from information on another forum] the trials often don't let you do a large file.
 
Also the letter 'v' is used to show where there is a 'note' as in "And vwhen he was yet far off," so who ever does the edit needs to check the spelling of all word that start with v - Maybe spell check will help.  
 



#15936 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 23 February 2013 - 07:29 PM in Modules In Progress

Unfortunately, that looks like some of the e-Sword modules I've seen online in some places.  I am not familiar with the OCR program you mentioned.  I would recommend FineReader (by Abbyy) or OmniPage (by Nuance).  They would probably give you a much better text to work with.  Of course, depending on the quality of the pdf, it might not matter much.

 

People don't edit the OCR results? great!  [[And I don't have the $4 - 500 for the REAL OCR programs]] 

Some one else is going to have to do this as I don't have the tools [nor the time to edit 2800 pages]




#15934 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 23 February 2013 - 06:27 PM in Modules In Progress

It is some 2800 plus pages - How do I breakup a PDF file into individual pages [maybe if I could break it up into sections of 100 pages?]

 


Found a PDF splitter [PDF Merge] and submitted just page 19 [Gen 1:1-10 or so]  See snippet page 2  #11 of this thread for verses 1-4 or so   Used Readis pro   there is a lot of editing to do.  There are comments on both sides of the Bible text.  [striped out for this run]
This is what I got :
 
N fl the beginning God created heauen and earth. 2.. A~d the earth was void and vacant, and.darkcncs was vpon the face or the depth: and II the Spirit of God rnoued ouer [he warers.j. And God [aid: Be lIght made. And light was made'. 4.And God i'aw the light that it was zood : and he diuidcd the liaht frem the darkel1es. ).And hccallcd thelight, Day, 
. ..... , ' _ and the daakenes, Kight: and there was tur- 
ning & morning, that made one day. 6. Geld alfo [aid: Be (~) a fir me¬merit made amidft the waters: and let it diuide between waters and waters. 7. And God made a firmament, and diuided the waters that were vnder the firmament ,. from thole that were aboue the firmament. And it was fo done. ~. And God called the firmame!it, (b) Hcauen: and there was euening & morning that made the {ecoDd day. 9. God a1[o [aid: Let the waters that are vudcr ehe heaucn be p¬rhcred toge,her into one place: and let the drie land appease. And it Was [0 done. 10. And God called the drie land .Earth.and the gathering of Waters together, he called Seas . And God Iaw that it "vas good. J 1. And [aid: Let the earth Ihoot forth green herbcs ,and [uch as may 
 
 



#15932 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 23 February 2013 - 04:24 PM in Modules In Progress

Why do we need OCR?  because all I have is pictures of the text.  
 
Word 13 gave up [mild crash] after 45 minutes
 
The PDF file I have of the DR 1582 is in facsimile format. See post 11 on page 2 for a snipette. 
 

It is some 2800 plus pages - How do I breakup a PDF file into individual pages [maybe if I could break it up into sections of 100 pages?]




#15893 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 20 February 2013 - 11:29 PM in Modules In Progress

Why would you want to OCR the text when it's already been OCR'd?

 

 

Why do we need OCR?  because all I have is pictures of the text.  
 
Word 13 gave up [mild crash] after 45 minutes
 
The PDF file I have of the DR 1582 is in facsimile format. See post 11 on page 2 for a snipette. 
It is a series of pictures.  It may not have a text layer.  Someone just took pictures of each page and published all the photos as a PDF file on CD.    The one I have is the $20 CD from    churchlatin.com
 
I don't have anything that can cut the PDF file into smaller parts.   
Nor will the OCR program I have take a PDF file as input.  [[I don't try this often - my normal practice is print the page of the PDF and scan it in - one page at a time - we are talking some 2000 pages]]  
 
EDIT: was told that "What you need is Abbyy FineReader or Nuance OmniPage"  Don't have the $400!



#15892 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 20 February 2013 - 10:41 PM in Modules In Progress


Translations from one language to another do trigger a copyright. But, it's hard to see a derivative copyright qualifying under a "translation" when the editing involves systematic (and therefore, by definition, uncreative) changes in spelling. 

Also saw the post by Bradley S. Cobb But Josh is listed as Administrator 

You are the ones that has to "worry" about those things so will leave it in your hands

I Have WORD 13 and it does PDF to DOCX files.  Have it running against a DR 1582 PDF - how do I drop you a file? {I am new here}

May take a while and not sure that it will not crash {maybe too big}  [be back when it quits - one way or the other]




#15888 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 20 February 2013 - 09:18 PM in Modules In Progress

""On the one hand, I'm not sure I see the value of an archaic English Bible. On the other hand, is this what you're looking for?""

I am not sure that anyone is going to want to do the needed editing to get the archaic English into a readable format Very good OCR and good spell check might do the trick - but you also might have to check every change made - by hand  - [and then you will know why someone is charging $84 for the results] 

See post 12 [on page 2] and post 10 [on page 1]
They show the needed tests for OT Gen 1:5 [Volume one] and Psa 1:1 [Volume two] and NT Mat 2:1  
 
Also that the files are in OLD ENGLISH   see post 11 [on page 2]  And other comments in some of my other posts  our 'w' 'wxy'  is 'v' 'v'  vv 'tuv'  and requiring two of them.  
 
Challoner was 1750 (or so) - if it is in Old English and it passes those three verses I think we have found the real thing
 
DSaw looks like the correct file - it passes the tests and is in Old English
 
Sorry Josh Bond but there are lots claiming to be but are not [Check out the three tests and find a known Challoner and test my proposed tests]  Gen 1:5  ends " that made one day."   Psa 1:1 " hath not gone" [not walked] and Mat 2:1 sages [not wise men] 
 
Note that if you find one in a modern English font that passes the tests above it may have been stolen from Dr. Peters in violation of copyright.  And should cost $84 or so.
 



#15883 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 20 February 2013 - 07:31 AM in Modules In Progress

I have searched for the Douay-Rheims but all I find is the Challoner version

 

If we are to have the original Douay-Rheims in esword we need to first find a source for the oringinal version

 

a couple years back there was a gentleman from the UK that wanted the Newberry study bible in pdf and could not find it anyware in the version he wanted he did have it in book form though I offered to scan it and now it's in the pdf section of this site 

 

so here is the question is someone willing to give up there copy so that everyone who wants to can read the original

 

I found a site that is selling pages from the 1609 / 1852 at $200 each - that makes the 1582 NT cost over $160,000

And the OT is more then twice as long.  Maybe some BIG e-publisher can get their hands on a copy but WE don't have that kind of money.

 

How well will the facsimile work for OCR? http://www.churchlat...ouayrheims.aspx   $20 for facsimile CD

 

OR Some one needs to contact Dr. William von Peters at http://www.realdouayrheims.com/ and ask if he is interested in publishing his work in E-book format.  We might have to pay $85 each to get it into E-Sword 

 

[Will check back here from time to time to see your progress]  [sorry for being the one that voided the prior file - that was a LOT of work]




#15879 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 20 February 2013 - 12:41 AM in Modules In Progress

those links do not work for me 

 

what we are looking for is the original not the Challoner version the challoner version is already an e_sword module

 

I use omnipage pro for OCR an I'm very happy with it

 

If you do get an original copy in PDF the letter 'w' as in 'wxyz' is printed as two 'v' as in 'rstuv'  and looks like vvas  'v' 'v' 'a' 's' for was

And the short s  that looks like f (see prior post)  ftar is star  [I am not an expert in Old English - there maybe other differences]

 

Who ever does the work - read all of the comments at the start of the Bible - the ones used had the 'magic' word 'Challoner' hidden in them

and the publisher of the files stated that they were 1582 files (so what was Challoner's name doing in their introductions?)

 

Also every Challoner version that I have seen uses the dates 1609 / 1582 as if they were not Challoner's work.  

 

I have failed to find any version of the 1582 / 1609 in modern type except for the Dr Peters Real Rheims - I could have missed it.




#15878 Douay-Rheims BIBLE Module

Posted by dauex on 20 February 2013 - 12:26 AM in Modules In Progress

I have searched for the Douay-Rheims but all I find is the Challoner version

 

I also came across a site that was charging 85$ or more for a cd of it

Dr Peters spent 10 years retyping the 1609 1582 versions. In those the word star looks like ftar  where I used 'f' as in efg they had a letter that looked like 'f' but did not have a bar . in those days 's' had a short version and a long version.  Just like today we have short and long vowels.  That version, in PDF fromat, can be found on the web - but they all violate Dr. Peters format copyright.   I have found a couple of errors in his work. Minor, small, hidden, hard to notice.  I think that Dr. Peters put them in on purpose so that if he ever takes someone to court on copyright his known errors will prove that they stole his work.  he calls it the Real Rheims [he has both OT and NT]

 

On churchlatin.com there is a $20 PDF CD of the original. It is in facsimile format  [That is it is photos of an original] Have fun re typing it.