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Bible Doctrines, Are they Really Relevant?

By APsit190, in Theology, Doctrine, Christian Life 16 March 2012 · 1,685 views

One of the things I like doing is asking thought provoking questions because I like my thinking  challenged. When theology is mentioned, there are a number of responses that come out, and some are positive, and others are . . . well . . ., "Boring!" So, it sort of comes down to this, Is theology an academic jaunt in the park, or should it be real; you know, something that can be lived out or is a real part of out lives?

When we look at the big doctrines of God, stuff like:
  • The Attributes of God's Divine Nature
  • The Attributes of God's Divine Character
  • The Trinity (Godhead)
how are they relevant to us? In other words, what are they suppose to do for us in respect to our relationship/walk with God?

I like what Cliffe Knechtle (of Give me an Answer fame) said about beliefs in regards to atheism and moral relativism in that if what you believe cannot be lived out, why believe it? And I guess one can put this question to what we believe. If our theology, the Doctrines we hold to cannot be lived out, why do we believe them? You see, its my belief that the Word of God is there for us to live it out. Our faith (belief) in Christ is there to live it out. I also believe that the things regarding God's divine nature and character, the truths around the Doctrine of the trinity are there for them to be a part of our lives, and so to be reflected from our lives.

Your thoughts and feedback are welcome.

Blessings,
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I was raised in a denomination that proudly announced they had "no doctrine but Christ". Unfortunately when I got out into the world, because doctrine means teaching, instruction and precepts (according to Thayer's) I was unprepared to define what I believed let alone defend what I believed, and how something that can be lived out that is not understood is not worth contemplation.

I am a great believer in doctrine, apologetics and hermeneutics being part of every Christian's education, though I don't believe that dedicated classes in hermeneutics and apologetics need to be added to the Sunday School curricula, but the what of our beliefs as well as the why of our beliefs it is essential to living out our beliefs...how can you live out what you don't understand and can neither defend or define?
1Tim 4:16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, Eph 4:13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; Eph 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, Eph 4:15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the headChrist Eph 4:16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

Doctrine is extremely important in my view and from a Biblical perspective. There are so many false teachers that want to lead people astray. The enemy wants our faith to "suffer shipwreck". He also wants to lead other believers astray. Doctrine is important both for ourselves and for those who hear us.

However, we must be careful not to allow knowledge to be the main thing. It should not replace our passion for Christ, but should increase it! We must return to our "first love". We also must remember that "knowledge puffs up", but love edifies and none of us know as much as we should know. There is no room for pride because of how much knowledge we think we have achieved.

These are just my thoughts on the matter. Thanks for the blog.

Blessings,
Peter
I like what both of you guys wrote, and I can see where you two are coming from. That said, however they are just stock standard answers, and really don't address the issues of why you believe, but more importantly, can you live out what you believe.

The example of the big three doctrines about God, how do you guys think they can be lived out? When you see what God is like as you examine the doctrines about his Divine Attributes of his character and nature, what do they do for you in your walk with God? When you read, hear, study the doctrine of the trinity, what does it inspire in you, and how do you think that can be put into practice in your life? You see, this is what I mean by living out what you believe.

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however they are just stock standard answers,


Something I see a lot of, is people neither know what they believe, nor why they believe. As such, all they can spout are the stock answers. They might have the scienta, but the gnosis is lacking.

The example of the big three doctrines about God, how do you guys think they can be lived out?


Your examples are a distraction in living one's beliefs as a Christian.

It would be more appropriate to live one's life according to the Ritual decalog, the Ethical decalog (both versions), and The Sermon on the Mount instead of trying to determine the Ninety-Nine Attributes of God, or engage in the Trinitarian v Unitarian v Modalism v Dualism debate.

how do you think that can be put into practice in your life?


Ultimately, using CENI, one can derive most Christian Doctrine, and practice from studying, and adhering to the Ritual decalog, the Ethical decalog. and The Sermon on the Mount. Doing so is a 10,000 page essay. The major stumbling block for determining all doctrine is the failure of CENI to define what is canonical. A failure that all modes of hermeneutics suffer from.

jonathon

jonathon
To me, any of the doctrines of the attributes of God, causes me to feel very humble. God is so far above me that i cannot even fully understand his greatness. I can never achieve His standards. I can never equal His holiness.I can never fully comprehend His knowledge. This is why I need Him. This is also why he sent His Son to pay for my sins by dying in my place. I will never comprehend how such an awesome God would condescend to my level and die in my place!! That's what living out the doctrines of God means to me.

TC
Only the individual can qualify 'why' he believes as well as quantify (what and to what extent).

The 'big' doctrine items above, as you called them, are actually a revelation of YOUR nature and character.

We know when we are born again, it is you, the spirit who is born into life; our souls are being saved; our bodies shall be saved(glorified).
Being born of Yhwh, it means you have the same dna (nature/character).
How better to understand who you are than by looking to your origins?

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
This happens as we fellowship/koinonia with him through the word, prayer and just plain talking with him.
To put it crudely, it is as a baby/child/adolescent patterning after a parent/guardian.
We take on the nature and character of the influences (people) we expose to.

Doctrine (is practical) - to teach the substance of..
Theology (is theory) - Theos -: Of Yhwh
Logos -: word or discourse
...hence the study/discourse of matters pertaining to Yhwh

ergo doctrine follows theology.
Teaching is not and end in itself...it is the discipline of imparting understanding for the purpose of successful application/practice.

Only the individual can qualify 'why' he believes as well as quantify (what and to what extent).The 'big' doctrine items above, as you called them, are actually a revelation of YOUR nature and character. We know when we are born again, it is you, the spirit who is born into life; our souls are being saved; our bodies shall be saved(glorified).Being born of Yhwh, it means you have the same dna (nature/character).How better to understand who you are than by looking to your origins?2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.This happens as we fellowship/koinonia with him through the word, prayer and just plain talking with him.To put it crudely, it is as a baby/child/adolescent patterning after a parent/guardian. We take on the nature and character of the influences (people) we expose to.Doctrine (is practical) - to teach the substance of..Theology (is theory) - Theos -: Of Yhwh Logos -: word or discourse...hence the study/discourse of matters pertaining to Yhwh ergo doctrine follows theology.Teaching is not and end in itself...it is the discipline of imparting understanding for the purpose of successful application/practice.


Well, Ok, so, ummm, ahhh, yep! A lot of cliches and jargon with anthropocentric stuff thrown in. Beyond that, not really anything of substance of what you think/believe when you look at the the Divine attributes of God of his Character and Nature, and the Trinity (Godhead), and of how they affect you.

To me, any of the doctrines of the attributes of God, causes me to feel very humble. God is so far above me that i cannot even fully understand his greatness. I can never achieve His standards. I can never equal His holiness.I can never fully comprehend His knowledge. This is why I need Him. This is also why he sent His Son to pay for my sins by dying in my place. I will never comprehend how such an awesome God would condescend to my level and die in my place!! That's what living out the doctrines of God means to me.TC


Hi TC,
Of all the responses to date, this is perhaps the best because you're getting down to the heart of it of, "this is why I believe and its real to me." No jargon, no cliches, but what it does to you. And that, mate is what I'm trying to drive at.

You believe it because its real. Its not an academic jaunt in the theological park, but what you actually live out in your life in that the way God is, is applicable to you in the way he wants you and everyone of us to be like.

So, when I see these things of the way that God is, and I see things that the Apostle Peter says crazy things like to be holy in the same way that God is, mate, I have to say stuff like that leaves me gob smacked. When I look at how powerful God is through his creative power, by just speaking things into existence, and see how good he is, it makes me have confidence in him that I can actually trust him and I know he wont let me down.

When I see his Character of how flawless he is, and see his nature of his grace, truth, justice, love, it makes me want to run to him because its through those things he redeemed and saved me. I can actually trust him.

I can go and say more, but I think everyone sort of can get the picture of what I mean.

Blessings,
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Well, Ok, so, ummm, ahhh, yep! A lot of cliches and jargon with anthropocentric stuff thrown in. Beyond that, not really anything of substance of what you think/believe when you look at the the Divine attributes of God of his Character and Nature, and the Trinity (Godhead), and of how they affect you.



Like I said dude, they 'paint' for me a picture of who and what I am...
I am inspired to bring into alignment those areas in which I come short...the process of being perfected into his image...
I thot it was obvious from my "cliches and jargon with anthropocentric stuff"!!!?


Like I said dude, they 'paint' for me a picture of who and what I am...
I am inspired to bring into alignment those areas in which I come short...the process of being perfected into his image...
I thot it was obvious from my "cliches and jargon with anthropocentric stuff"!!!?

 

It's late in coming, but at least I got to answering you.

If you had said as much in the first place, rather than what you said initially, I would have got what you have said straight away, and there would have been no problems.

 

The whole idea of this little blog was to put out a challenge for one to have a look at the big "Why" question to examine why is it they believe what they believe, and to look at their hearts to see as to why they believe. And it was TC Exagorazo who really gave the best comment to this blog because he understood the challenge.

 

So with that, that response now come in second place after TC Exagorazo :D

 

Blessings,

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