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Israel is Critical to the Last Days

By Josh Bond, 17 November 2012 · 2,145 views

Middle East War
While we watch the seizing of freedom in America and the steady march to the collapse of the dollar [which is taking world economies with it], the Middle East is starting to come unglued. We are a front row witness to the prophetic setting of the stage for the War of Gog & Magog. We have seen alliances form between lifelong enemies Russia and Iran while at the same time countries like Turkey move from leaning to the west to path of strategic alliance with Russia and Iran. We are very close to the War of Gog & Magog, but before this happens there will be a Middle East war that will quickly start, rapidly conclude, and then soon followed by the War of Gog & Magog.




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Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

this ended AD 34 The gospel went to the Gentiles.


Rom_2:28 (KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. this ended AD 34 The gospel went to the Gentiles.Rom_2:28 (KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


This is simply not the case. The 70th week has not yet begun. It may begin soon. There has been no abomination of desolation or antichrist in the temple. Your view of the Word of God is far too low.

Rom 2:28 is very true. Those Jews who believe in Jesus now become one with us in Christ with us. However, the day is coming that Paul spoke about when the partial blindess of Israel will come to and end Rom 11:25. Those who are left in Israel at the end of the "day of the Lord" or "great tribulation" will be true Jews because they will have believed in their Messiah.

God has a plan for Israel. He is going to wake them up during the time of Jacob's trouble. Our God is not a liar, nor can He lie. The promises God made to literal Israel will be fulfilled. All the mistaken interpretations of the Word of God will vanish.

Our God does what He says He was going to do.

Dan 9:26 was fulfilled in 70 AD when the city and sanctuary was destroyed. Jesus spoke about this in Luk 21.

Jesus spoke about Dan 9:27 in Mat 24:15. This is yet to be fulfilled. It will be fulfilled and the event will be clear enough for the believer's in Israel who have read Matthew to recognize that this was what Daniel and Jesus were talking about. They will flee to the wilderness and be protected by God.
you are completely wrong here. The 70th week began in AD 27 when Christ was baptised. The dispensationalist idea that the 70th week is future is based on a false understanding of the Hebrew grammar of the 70 week prophecy.

Also there in no NT distinction between Jew and Gentile that distinction was abolished by Christ. see Eph 2:11-20

I once knew a man who believed as you did then he read a book called "Exploding the Israel Deception" It showed him the truth so clearly that it totally changed his views on the end time events. it is part of a larger work called "End Time Delusions"

You need to check it out. http://whitehorsemed...13#.ULwyd6Up8fw

you are completely wrong here. The 70th week began in AD 27 when Christ was baptised. The dispensationalist idea that the 70th week is future is based on a false understanding of the Hebrew grammar of the 70 week prophecy. Also there in no NT distinction between Jew and Gentile that distinction was abolished by Christ. see Eph 2:11-20I once knew a man who believed as you did then he read a book called "Exploding the Israel Deception" It showed him the truth so clearly that it totally changed his views on the end time events. it is part of a larger work called "End Time Delusions" You need to check it out. http://whitehorsemed...13#.ULwyd6Up8fw


I often wonder if people have even read the Old Testament prophets and compared them to the Words of Jesus. Maybe people have read them, but only once or twice.

There are literally hundreds of passages in the Old Testament where God gives clear millennial promises to Israel. These are not conditional and they will not be fulfilled by the church. Jesus and Paul gave two key until's in Rom 11:25 and Luk 11:24. Eph 2:11-20 is very true for today. This comes to an end when the "fullness of the gentiles" is complete (Rom 11:25).

God is able to keep His promises to the Jews and He will. He is in the process of bringing it to pass. You have not considered the language of the old testament prophets carefully. It is absolutely overwhelming.

All who hold to replacement theology should tremble before these Words. God says His name is at stake if He does not fulfill all of these promises. Read Ezek 36-39 very carefully.

God will do what He said He would do even if not one person in the church believes it.

The scripture is not all about us! Praise God that we have been grafted in. We should not boast against the natural branches. God has plan for them. He keeps His promises and does what He said He was going to do.



Blessings,
Peter

I often wonder if people have even read the Old Testament prophets and compared them to the Words of Jesus.

Eph 2:11-20 is very true for today. This comes to an end when the "fullness of the gentiles" is complete (Rom 11:25).

Read Ezek 36-39 very carefully. Blessings,Peter


Yes bro i have read the OT prophecies and compared them to the sayings of Jesus. The 70 weeks prophecy is written in the literary form of a Hebrew "Chiasm" repetition with parallels. Here is an extract of a bible study that i wrote.


Chiastic structure of Daniel 9:25-27


(A) Daniel 9:25a (Ancient Jerusalem Reconstruction) "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem

(B) Daniel 9:25b (Messiah) " “Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

© Daniel 9:25c (Ancient Jerusalem Reconstruction) “The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.”


(X) Daniel 9:26a (Messiah)"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself”


(C1) Daniel 9:26b (Ancient Jerusalem Destruction) “And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.”


(B1) Daniel 9:27a (Messiah) “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.”


(A1) Daniel 9:27b (Ancient Jerusalem Destruction) “And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”


This construction proves beyond doubt that the "He who will confirm the covenant with many for one week." is the Messiah.


B1) Daniel 9:27a (Messiah) “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.”

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”The prophecy does not say that a covenant will be made or broken but that an existing one will be strengthened. In every instance where the Old Testament tells us of someone making or ratifying a covenant the idiom used is “cut a covenant”. The idiom “cut a covenant” seems to be based on an ancient custom of cutting up several animals and placing their parts on different altars. The parties making the covenant then walked between the altars (see Genesis 15). However this is not the expression used here in Daniel. The phrase here in Daniel is translated from a different set of words.

The word translated “confirm” is the Hebrew word “gabar”. It means “to be strong” or “ to prevail, to put forth strength”. Word number 1396, Gensenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon of the Old Testament. 1979 Baker books Grand Rapids MI USA. Professor Edward Young observes: “The writer [of the book of Daniel] does not mean to say that he will make a covenant. The ordinary idiom to express such a thought is “to cut a covenant”, and this idiom is not used here. Now, if the writer had wished to state that a covenant would be made, why did he not employ the ordinary Hebrew idiom for expressing such a thought? Why did he use this strange phrase, “cause to prevail”…” God Cares Vol 1 P221. M. Maxwell, 1981, Pacific press.

The 'he' is the Messiah Jesus. He was to cause a covenant to prevail, i.e. He would strengthen a covenant that already existed. The simplest way to express the meaning of the Hebrew is to say that Jesus would put forth strength to energetically honour the covenant under any circumstances. This Jesus did as no matter what combination of mockery, threat, torture, dread, and death - of fighting’s without and fears within – rose up against Him, Christ saw to it that His covenant prevailed. The apostle Paul says:

Romans 15:8Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision [Jews] for the truth of God, to confirm the promisesmade to the fathers,

According to Jesus in Matt 24:15 the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 was the fulfillment of Dan 9:27.

From what you are saying i get the idea that you believe that the old covenant is going to be reestablished in spite of the fact that the new testament repeatedly says that is it abolished.

Yes i have read Ezek 36-39 carefully and there is no way you can compare it to modern Israel

Cheers
Mike

Yes bro i have read the OT prophecies and compared them to the sayings of Jesus. The 70 weeks prophecy is written in the literary form of a Hebrew "Chiasm" repetition with parallels. Here is an extract of a bible study that i wrote.

Chiastic structure of Daniel 9:25-27

(A) Daniel 9:25a (Ancient Jerusalem Reconstruction) "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem( B) Daniel 9:25b (Messiah) " “Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;


© Daniel 9:25c (Ancient Jerusalem Reconstruction) “The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.”

(X) Daniel 9:26a (Messiah)"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself”

(C1) Daniel 9:26b (Ancient Jerusalem Destruction) “And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.”

(B1) Daniel 9:27a (Messiah) “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” (A1) Daniel 9:27b (Ancient Jerusalem Destruction) “And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”This construction proves beyond doubt that the "He who will confirm the covenant with many for one week." is the Messiah. B1) Daniel 9:27a (Messiah) “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”The prophecy does not say that a covenant will be made or broken but that an existing one will be strengthened. In every instance where the Old Testament tells us of someone making or ratifying a covenant the idiom used is “cut a covenant”. The idiom “cut a covenant” seems to be based on an ancient custom of cutting up several animals and placing their parts on different altars. The parties making the covenant then walked between the altars (see Genesis 15). However this is not the expression used here in Daniel. The phrase here in Daniel is translated from a different set of words. The word translated “confirm” is the Hebrew word “gabar”. It means “to be strong” or “ to prevail, to put forth strength”. Word number 1396, Gensenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon of the Old Testament. 1979 Baker books Grand Rapids MI USA. Professor Edward Young observes: “The writer [of the book of Daniel] does not mean to say that he will make a covenant. The ordinary idiom to express such a thought is “to cut a covenant”, and this idiom is not used here. Now, if the writer had wished to state that a covenant would be made, why did he not employ the ordinary Hebrew idiom for expressing such a thought? Why did he use this strange phrase, “cause to prevail”…” God Cares Vol 1 P221. M. Maxwell, 1981, Pacific press. The 'he' is the Messiah Jesus. He was to cause a covenant to prevail, i.e. He would strengthen a covenant that already existed. The simplest way to express the meaning of the Hebrew is to say that Jesus would put forth strength to energetically honour the covenant under any circumstances. This Jesus did as no matter what combination of mockery, threat, torture, dread, and death - of fighting’s without and fears within – rose up against Him, Christ saw to it that His covenant prevailed. The apostle Paul says:Romans 15:8Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision [Jews] for the truth of God, to confirm the promisesmade to the fathers,According to Jesus in Matt 24:15 the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 was the fulfillment of Dan 9:27.From what you are saying i get the idea that you believe that the old covenant is going to be reestablished in spite of the fact that the new testament repeatedly says that is it abolished. Yes i have read Ezek 36-39 carefully and there is no way you can compare it to modern IsraelCheers Mike


I am glad you copyrighted Dan 9:25c :)

You have not read Ezekiel 36-39 carefully... if you have.. you just ignore it because it does not fit with your doctrine...

Ezek39:26 after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid. Ezek39:27 When I have brought them back from the peoples and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and I am hallowed in them in the sight of many nations,
Ezek39:28 then they shall know that I am the LORD their God, who sent them into captivity among the nations, but also brought them back to their land, and left none of them captive any longer.
Ezek39:29 And I will not hide My face from them anymore; for I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel,' says the Lord GOD."

Jesus said after they would beled away captive into all nations in Luk 21:24 after the Roman armies surrounded them.

Luke21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Ezek38:8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.

The "he" in Dan 9:27 refers to the "prince who is to come" in Dan 9:26. I have not had time to research this Hebrew Chiasm. I will do that tonight.

The New Testament never says the church has replaced Israel or even implies it. You are reading into the text something that is simply not there. Paul tried to instruct us in Romans 11 about the future salvation of the Jews and that we are just grafted in. A majority of the church simply will not hear it.

Sadly, the book of Revelation makes it clear that persecution against the Jews is going to intensify (read Rev 12). God will protect a remnant in the wilderness (Rev 12:6) because Jesus instructs them to flee in Mat 24. The church needs to repent. These false doctrines are part of what contributes to anti Semitism in the world (allthough a smaller part today than in past history).

Jesus is going to fulfill all the promises made to the Fathers. That is what the 2nd coming is all about. They will one day believe in Him. Blindness has happened to them in part "until".... Read Zech 14 for example (and many other places).

I would love to continue on, but I need to run to work.

Blessings,
Peter
Really this whole discussion is kind of silly…

Jesus clearly says the days following the fleeing of Judea will be the “great tribulation” (Mat 24:15-21).

Jesus also then clearly says that “immediately after the tribulation of those days that the son will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the starts will fall from heaven, and the powersof the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power and great glory (Mat 24:29-30).

These events did not come upon the whole world after the judgement of 70 AD.


If you want to read the Bible that way, it is your choice. This is not a salvation issue. However, I hope you treat the passages having to do you our salvation more seriously that how you read Mat 24 or the rest of the prophetic passages.

Blessings,
Peter

Yes bro i have read the OT prophecies and compared them to the sayings of Jesus. The 70 weeks prophecy is written in the literary form of a Hebrew "Chiasm" repetition with parallels.


To quote a friend who knows quite a bit more about Hebrew grammar than I do:

"Chiasms do not overrule common rules of grammar; no way, no how"

The other point is that you are making a false assumption that A1 refers to the ancient destruction of Jerusalem. It does not.

It refers to the antichrist coming into the temple and showing himself to be God (2Th 2:4).

The consolation being poored out on the desolate refers to the lawless one being consumed by the brightness of the 2nd Coming (2Th 2:9).

Dan 9:27; Mat 24:15-30 and 2Th 2:3-9 all describe events that sound very similar.

Dan 9:26 describes the event that happened in 70 AD that was to occur after the Messiah was cut off.

Jesus talks about a fleeing from Judea after the abomination of desolation that will be followed by the great tribulation and by His 2nd coming. Paul talks about the lawless coming into the temple and being destroyed by the 2nd coming.

No serious student of Bible prophecy can twist these events to have anything to do with the judgement on Jerusalem in 70 AD.

The truth is quite the opposite. Jesus will be returning to rescue the Jews who have fled to the wilderness and who will be saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" Mat 23:39

To quote a friend who knows quite a bit more about Hebrew grammar than I do:"Chiasms do not overrule common rules of grammar; no way, no how"The other point is that you are making a false assumption that A1 refers to the ancient destruction of Jerusalem. It does not. It refers to the antichrist coming into the temple and showing himself to be God (2Th 2:4). The consolation being poored out on the desolate refers to the lawless one being consumed by the brightness of the 2nd Coming (2Th 2:9). Dan 9:27; Mat 24:15-30 and 2Th 2:3-9 all describe events that sound very similar. Dan 9:26 describes the event that happened in 70 AD that was to occur after the Messiah was cut off. Jesus talks about a fleeing from Judea after the abomination of desolation that will be followed by the great tribulation and by His 2nd coming. Paul talks about the lawless coming into the temple and being destroyed by the 2nd coming. No serious student of Bible prophecy can twist these events to have anything to do with the judgement on Jerusalem in 70 AD.The truth is quite the opposite. Jesus will be returning to rescue the Jews who have fled to the wilderness and who will be saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" Mat 23:39


A Chiasm is a common rule of grammar.

A1 is definately the destruction of ancient Jerusalem the chiasm proves that. It parallels A that is the cities rebuilding. Verse 27 is a repetition and elaboration of verse 26. The prophecy is all about the Messiah and ancient Jerusalem nothing else. There is nothing in the prophecy that mentions an antichrist at all. It is a belief that is read into the prophecy.


the antichrist sitting in the temple of God? If the Jews rebuilt a temple and began the sacrifices again it would be a complete denial of the sacrifice of Christ. It would be a re establishment of the old covenant that has been permanently abolished. Such a temple would never be called the 'temple of God' There are only two temples mentioned in the new testament. the church and the heavenly temple. Pauls man of sin sits in the church not a fictitious old covenant temple in Jerusalem.

A Chiasm is a common rule of grammar. A1 is definately the destruction of ancient Jerusalem the chiasm proves that. It parallels A that is the cities rebuilding. Verse 27 is a repetition and elaboration of verse 26. The prophecy is all about the Messiah and ancient Jerusalem nothing else. There is nothing in the prophecy that mentions an antichrist at all. It is a belief that is read into the prophecy. the antichrist sitting in the temple of God? If the Jews rebuilt a temple and began the sacrifices again it would be a complete denial of the sacrifice of Christ. It would be a re establishment of the old covenant that has been permanently abolished. Such a temple would never be called the 'temple of God' There are only two temples mentioned in the new testament. the church and the heavenly temple. Pauls man of sin sits in the church not a fictitious old covenant temple in Jerusalem.


You are very wrong about the other mention of the temple. There is another temple mentioned in scripture. It fits in nicely with the temple mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. In Revelation 11:1-2 it is clear that there will be a rebuilt temple that is called the “temple of God”. Also notice in Rev 11:2, that the city will be trampled underfoot by gentiles for another 42 months. This fits perfectly with what Jesus said in Luk 11:24 about the Jerusalem beign trampled by gentiles until the times of the gentiles are complete. This times of the gentiles will end at the end of this 42 months when Jesus returns.

The identification of the “prince who is to come” with the anitchrist is consistent with the other prophecies of Daniel such as the “little horn” in Daniel chapter 7.

Jesus did not destroy the city and the sanctuary. The Romans did. The antichrist is going to arise out of this empire that will be reassembled in some way as described in Daniel chapter 2.

Many inside Israel are planning to rebuild this temple even now. They are just waiting for the opportunity. Sacrifices continued in the temple after Jesus was cricified and resurrected. The Jews are not believers yet, there is no reason for them not to rebuild this temple iand reinstitute the sacrifices. The only thing that stands in their way is the dome of the rock.

Josh,

 

i totally agree...

 

it seems that in some reformed circles that the Jews are left out in the cold in

God's Plans. i really don't get it. i love some reformed theology, but the book that

opened my eyes was , Ten Myths about Calvinism, by Ken Stewart. it shows the progression of the reformation and how slowly the chruch progressed in understanding the scriptures. and there was a lot of hate towards the jews in a lot of it.  i love my reformed brothers, but their  were prommenet ministers who believed that God did not cast away his people. if he can cast them off, they he

could cast us off also. ( which i do not belive for a moment)

 

love your choice of books.

 

Gordon Mc

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