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We are not under the Law

By cbb1962, 26 September 2013 · 2,520 views

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If part of Jesus' plan was to teach us that "we are not under the Law," then the following passages pose fatal problems to this doctrine:

If "we are not under the Law" why didn't Jesus congratulate the religious leaders or at least tell them good job?

John 7:19 Hasn't Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law! Why do you want to kill me?"


Why are we told to pay attention to the experts in the Law?

Matthew 23:2-3  "The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses'seat.  (3)  Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach.


If Jesus' plan was to teach us "we are not under the Law," why would he send "experts in the Law" along with Prophets and Wise men?

Matthew 23:34-35 I will send prophets and wise people and experts in the Law of Moses to you. But you will kill them or nail them to a cross or beat them in your meeting places or chase them from town to town.  (35)  That's why you will be held guilty for the murder of every good person, beginning with the good man Abel. This also includes Barachiah's son Zechariah, the man you murdered between the temple and the altar.


The words of the Messiah would be the basis for all of Paul's teaching.  So, before we start quoting Paul, "we are not under the law," and ignore what Jesus said, I am reminded of my favorite quote from the movie, "The Princes Bride;  "You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."

In this case:

"You Keep Saying 'We Are Not Under the Law', I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means."


Blessings,
Clint
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God’s Word is True! - John 17:17, Psalms 33:4, Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151, Psalms 119:160
God Never Changes! - Malachi 3:6, James 1:17, Hebrews 1:12
Because his word is true and he never changes:
God’s Word Cannot Contradict Itself! - 1 Corinthians 14:33, Titus 1:2

Almost everyone agrees with these statements. - BUT, very few actually apply them to what they've been taught...




"In the beginning was the Word....."

"And the Word of YHWH came to Moses and said....."

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us....."

 

and said....

"If ye had believed Moses, ye would have believed me....."

I think the opposite is also true in this case, if we believe Messiah, we will ALSO believe Moses.

I noticed that this post received 1-star from a couple of people. Thanks!!!  I am so thankful that BibleSupport.com doesn't have a negative star rating system, this blog might set some kind of record…  LOL.

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Here is an exercise for those that are offended by this Blog:

 

Imagine one Sunday morning that King David miraculously walks into your Church.  Could you please outline how you would go about convincing him that his Psalms (Psalm 19, Psalm 119 and many others) no longer apply because “we are no longer under the Law.”

 

King David, a man after God's own heart, would certainly have some questions:

  • Why wouldn't you want to follow the perfect, pure instructions of the LORD?
  • If the LORD destroyed the land of Israel because his people disobeyed and rejected his Law, how can you say “we are no longer under the Law?”  Did God destroy the land for fun or on a whim?
  • When did the LORD redefine 'everlasting?'
  • Are you sure we are talking about the Creator of the Universe, the LORD - YHVH? Or are you worshiping some false god?
  • When did the unchanging LORD change?  If he did, who prophesied about it?
  • Who is your Messiah and your Prophets that taught you contrary to the everlasting, perfect Law of the LORD?
  • Don’t you realize that a prophet, or a “prophet like Moses” that teach contrary to the Law are false prophets and YHVH said to kill them?!!!  (Deu 13:1-5, Deu 18:17-22)

Oh and by the way, no one was here yesterday? Why weren't you worshiping and praising the LORD on His Sabbath? Why are you here worshiping like the pagans on their day? Did your Messiah and your Prophets teach you that too?

 

Enjoy...

Thanks the New Covenant are we not under Law but saved by the Grace of Christ our High Priest who made one big sacrifice

But I don't  teach antinomianism (lawlessness): The Christians must keep GOD's Commandments even if this doctrine is unpopular.

If there was no Law for Christians then why do you need to repent?

Without Law is there no Grace and you need to prove faith by being faithful.

Even demons admit that the Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God but that makes them not Christians because their works are evil. Luk 4:41

The Law can't save the violators of the Law(the sinners) but only Grace can save.

So repent by trying to stop sinning and don't trust in materialism or popularity.

 

Mat 5:17 [The Law is unchanged 1].
    Think not that I came to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I not came to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For Amen I say to you, Until Heaven and Earth shall pass away,
    one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, until all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments, and shall teach so men,
    he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heavens:
    but whoever shall do, and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heavens.
Mat 5:20 For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees,
    ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heavens
.

 

 

Jas 2:14-26

 

 

Mat 21:28 [Parable of the two sons].
    But what think ye? A certain Man had two sons;
    and He came to the first, and said, Son, go, work Today in My Vineyard.
Mat 21:29 He answered and said, I will not; but afterward he repented, and went.
Mat 21:30 And He came to the second, and said likewise and he answered and said, I go, Lord: and went not.
Mat 21:31 Which of the two did the will of his Father?
    They say to Him, The first.
    Jesus said to them,
    Amen I say to you, that the publicans and the harlots go before you into the Kingdom of God!
Mat 21:32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness,
    and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him:
    and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Mat 7:13 [The good way is hard to follow].
    Enter ye in at the narrow gate; for wide is the gate,
    and broad is the way, that leads to destruction,
    and many there are who go in by it.
Mat 7:14 Because narrow is the gate, and constricted is the way,
    which leads to life, and few there are that find it
.

 

 

1Jn 2:4 He that said, I know Him, and keeps not His Commandments, is a liar, and the Truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, in him truly is the love of God perfected: by this we know that we are in Him.

 

Mat 7:21
    Not every one that said to Me, Lord, Lord,
    shall enter into the Kingdom of Heavens;
    but he that does the will of My Father who is in Heavens.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord,
    have we not prophesied in Thy Name?
    And in Thy Name have cast out demons?
    And in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess to them,
    I never knew you. Depart from Me, all that work for lawlessness. Psa 6:8 .
 

Mar 10:17 [The rich man].
    And when He had gone forth into the way, there came one running,
    and kneeled to Him, and asked Him,
    Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit everlasting life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said to him,
    Why call Thou Me good? There is none good, but One, that is God.
Mar 10:19 Thou know the Commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal,
    Do not bear false witness, (Defraud not,) Honour Thy father and Thy mother. Exo 20:3-17 Deu 5:7-21 .
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said to Him,
    Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said to him,
    One thing Thou lack: go, sell whatever Thou have, and give to the poor,
    and Thou shall have treasure in Heaven;
    and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.
Mar 10:22 And He was sad at that saying,
    and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked around, and said to His disciples,
    How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the Kingdom of God!

 

Mar 8:34 [Take up his cross: tribulation].
    And when He had called the people to Him with His disciples also, He said to them,
    Whoever will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
Mar 8:35 For whoever will save his life, shall lose it;
    but whoever shall lose his life for My sake and the Gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole World, and lose his own soul:
Mar 8:37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mar 8:38 Whoever therefore shall be ashamed of Me, and of My words, in this adulterous and sinful generation;
    of him also will the Son of Man be ashamed, when He Comes in the Glory of His Father with the Holy Angels.

Rom 3:27-28; 4:4-5; 11:6; Gal 2:16, 21; 5:4 Eph 2:8-9; 2 Tim 1:9; *** 3:5

 

Again, I'm no theologian, but, with all due respect, in reading the tone of this I feel like I've stepped back in time and am witnessing a treatise by the Judaizers.



Rom 3:27-28; 4:4-5; 11:6; Gal 2:16, 21; 5:4 Eph 2:8-9; 2 Tim 1:9; *** 3:5

 

Again, I'm no theologian, but, with all due respect, in reading the tone of this I feel like I've stepped back in time and am witnessing a treatise by the Judaizers.

 

I don't think its so much as Judaizers, but a complete misunderstanding and ignorance as to the purpose of the law. The Law itself, has not been made void, but rather by our faith in Christ it has been established (validated) in our lives (see Rom 3:31). Jesus Christ, through his death satisfied the requirements of the Law relating to the sacrifice for the atonement of sin.

 

The Law cannot save a person from Sin, only the Jesus can. All the law does is it points out sin, and shows what happens as a result of it. This is all that the Law can do. It's not the obedience to the law that makes a person righteous, and neither does it justify him. Only God, through Christ having satisfied the demands of the law, are we justified and have been made righteous.

 

Even before there was such a thing as "the Law" God counted people as righteous purely because they believed Him, and because of their belief in God, and what he said to them, it was counted as righteousness to them. There was no "Law" for them to obey, only to obey God. There is a huge world of a difference here. Notice what Jesus said to the Disciples . . . "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you" (Joh 15:13-14 NKJV). The relationship isn't with the Law . . . The relationship is with Christ, and therein lies the difference.

 

Obedience to the law doesn't do a thing for the person, rather its obedience to God as a result of faith (belief) in him that makes all the difference for the person. And its here where (as I touched on before) how the Law is validated in our lives.

 

Blessings,

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Rom 3:27-28; 4:4-5; 11:6; Gal 2:16, 21; 5:4 Eph 2:8-9; 2 Tim 1:9; *** 3:5

 

Again, I'm no theologian, but, with all due respect, in reading the tone of this I feel like I've stepped back in time and am witnessing a treatise by the Judaizers.

 

All of your passages are from Paul.  As I have stated before - people love to take the "no-law" verses of Paul but conveniently leave out the "pro-law" verses of Paul.  

 

These "pro-law" passages of Paul are in direct conflict with your position:

 

Act_25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
 

Act_24:12-14 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:  (13)  Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.  (14)  But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

 

Rom_3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 

 

Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

 

Php_3:5-6 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;  (6)  Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

 

Any true doctrine must be able to reconcile these two sets of passages, completely.  Saying that "the law" is always Moses' law makes Paul's "no-law" and "pro-law" statements schizophrenic.  

 

The "works of the Law" that were referenced in several of the passages you sited aren't what is required by the LORD in Moses' law, Paul is declaring we are not under the man-made works of the Oral law.

 

Doing what God's Law requires is obedience.

Doing what Men say God requires is legalism.

Psalms 19:7 The Law of the LORD is perfect; it gives us new life. His teachings last forever, and they give wisdom to ordinary people.

 

1 John 2:4 The one who says "I have come to know God" and yet does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in such a person.

The doctrine that "we are not under Law but under Grace" is Biblical.

(But I'm not on the anti-Law side).

 

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have lordship over you: for ye are not under Law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under Law, but under grace?
    By no means.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants in obedience,
    His servants ye are whom ye obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the slaves of the sin;
    but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from the sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men, because of the infirmity of your flesh:
    for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to lawlessness, to (work) lawlessness;
    even so now yield your members servants to righteousness, to (work) Holiness.

I believe that this passage is referencing two different types of Law.  The first is the Oral Law that was burdensome and virtually impossible to follow.  The second is the LORD's Law. "Just because we aren't supposed to follow the Oral law should we break the LORD's law? God forbid."

 

Here is a more modern translation of verse 16 that helps clarify this:

 

Romans 6:16  Don't you know that you are slaves of anyone you obey? You can be slaves of sin and die, or you can be obedient slaves of God and be acceptable to him.

 

This makes the point perfectly that there are two different "laws" at work here.  Following the LORD's Law is NEVER equated with Sin and Death.  Man-Made commandments always are.

 

Clint

The problem with your theology is that you focus only on the Law and punishment as in the Old Covenant and not on the New Covenant theology like mercy, grace, Justification by faith(not the lawless version: see Jas 2:14-25)

 

Here is a more modern translation of verse 16 that helps clarify this:

And that proves that Paul was writing about the oral law instead of GOD's Law?

 

BTW: My text is from the last alpha update of the Restored Holy Bible of today.

The RHB(2.63) for e-Sword and MySword are 10 days under review by an admin without a notification.

 

Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness is attainable by the Law, then Christ has died in vain.

 

Rom 4:1
    What shall we then say that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, has found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he has whereof to glory, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what said the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. Gen 15:6 .
Rom 4:4 Now to him that works, is the reward no counted of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works,
Rom 4:7 Saying,
    Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Psa 32:1 .
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD will not impute sin. Psa 32:2 .

 

In the "Parable of the Pharisee and the publican"(Luk 18:9-14) was the publican the only one who was forgiven.

Because the Pharisee was blind for his own sins(self-righteous) and focus on the sins of others to make himself higher than the others.

The next of step of self-righteousness is victim bashing to their neighbours like many sects do; but that is not the spirit of a Philadelphia Christian; that of  brotherly love.

OK for the sake of argument I will assume you are 100% correct.  To prove that this is a correct doctrine please answer these few questions:

  • Isaiah and Jeremiah tell us that the LORD destroyed Israel for braking the Law and desecrated the Sabbath. How can Paul tell us we aren't under the Law?  Is the Church better than Israel? (Rom 11:16-17)
  • Are Psalm 19:7-8 and Psalm 119:1-176 now wrong?  (All 176 verses of Psalm 119 are about the perfect, pure everlasting Law of the LORD.)  
  • How is "we are not under the Law" any different than the lies that killed Stephen?   Did Paul revert back to Saul?
  • Jesus said that the heaven and earth would disappear before one stroke of the Law.  Does what Paul said override Jesus?
  • Ezekiel tells us that in the future all nations will follow the law, keep the Sabbath and the Biblical feasts.  Is Ezekiel wrong?  or are we only not under the law for a season? This is echoed in Rev_12:17, Rev_14:12, Rev_22:14. when did it change back?
  • Why did Malachi 4:4-6 tell us to remember the Law? Were we to remember the Law so Paul could tell us to forget it?
  • Why is it only Paul that is quoted about the Law, and only some of what he says.  Jesus' and the apostle's words are filtered thru what Paul said.  Paul's words about his love of the law are ignored.

  • Why did the Jerusalem counsel tell Paul to do things that  would convince the Jews he kept the Law?  Was this a big deception?

  • Paul tells Festus, Felix and King Agrippa that he hasn't done anything against the Law of Moses, was that a lie?

  • Where is the "we are not under the Law" doctrine prophesied? (Amos 3:7)

  • Why is 1 John 5:2-3  ignored?

These are only a few questions that should easily be reconciled with a true Doctrine.  But Paul is whipped out like a trump card.  I follow the Gospel of Christ, not the Gospel of Paul... 

 

Can anyone answer these questions without quoting Paul?  If what you think Paul is talking about is the truth then "at the mouth of two or three witnesses" it will be established, and all of those questions will be easy to answer.  

 

I know what Paul said is correct,  It is your wrong assumptions about what he said that can't answer these simple questions...

 

Clint

If there is still death-punishment without grace for every one that breaks the Sabbath even only once in your live.

(And follow the Ten Commandments is letting other person to work also forbidden).

How many people do you think that are saved? Less then 00.1% of the human population in history!

So God gives us a chance to repent and to blot out our previous sins. So that we have a chance in the Book of Life.

 

 

Luk 15:3 [Parable of the lost sheep].
    And He spoke this parable to them, saying,
Luk 15:4 What man of you having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them,
    does not leave the ninety nine in the wilderness,
    and go after that which is lost, until he finds it?
Luk 15:5 And when he has found it,
    he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Luk 15:6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbours,
    saying to them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
Luk 15:7 I say to you, that likewise joy shall be in Heaven over one sinner that repents,
    more than over ninety nine just persons, who need no repentance.
 

 

I use the words Holy Days in the intro of Holy Restored Bible; so my belief is closely related with yours. (But I have another focus)

There are now two Covenants: one for Judaism and one for Christianity and both are broken by men. (But both still co-exist)

 

Judaism lacks for more then 1000 years a High Priest and there are for the moment no sacrifices.

Christianity has Christ as High Priest and one big sacrifice.

 

Paul tells Festus, Felix and King Agrippa that he hasn't done anything against the Law of Moses, was that a lie?

Paul was a faithful Jew who keeps the Holy Days but some miss-quote(out of context, paraphrase) to make him look as an unfaithful Jew.

 

Can anyone answer these questions without quoting Paul?  If what you think Paul is talking about is the truth then "at the mouth of two or three witnesses"

Do you doubt about the NT Canon; how can I defend Paul against slander?

 

Jerusalem counsel: was about oral law and the common Roman law who are in violation with GOD's Commandments. Who take this as excuse for lying, stealing and murder except the people who teach lawlessness?

 

The seed of the woman are Christ and the Saints and the seed of the serpent are the anti-Saints who persecuted them who keeps GOD's Commandments(the Saints) [compare Rev 12 with Gen 3:15]

 

But Paul is whipped out like a trump card.  I follow the Gospel of Christ, not the Gospel of Paul.

Right, even the (Gospel of) Mark begins with "Beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ the Son of God;"

The truth of the unchangeableness (if that's a word) of God can be taken to an extreme.  While God's attributes and nature don't change, that doesn't mean that He deals with mankind exactly the same throughout history or even as individuals.  Regarding the latter, He declares (quoted a couple of times) that He loved Jacob and hated Esau.  No matter how one interprets or explains (away) that statement, the fact remains that He dealt with one differently than the other (without regard to their future actions: Rom 9:11-13 -- yeah, I know it's Paul and it's his treatise on, gasp!, the Biblical doctrine of election, but it's also the inspired word.).

 

How about a couple of non-Pauline examples:.

Jesus clearly states that He and the Father have a love for believers that is not-existent toward others (John 14:21,23; 17:9, 23).

 

Or how about God Himself overturning the Old Testament law to show Peter how the Gospel is also for Gentiles (Acts 10:10-15, 26-28)?

 

Christ kept the law where we couldn't and His grace superseded the requirements of the law (John 1:17).

 

The balance is shown in Rom 8:1-4.  God did what the law couldn't do and has given His Spirit to enable us to walk righteously (though not perfectly in this life).  Not only that, it is God who not only causes us to work out our salvation but also gives us the will to do His pleasure, something that does not come naturally (Phil 2:12-13).

While God's attributes and nature don't change, that doesn't mean that He deals with mankind exactly the same throughout history or even as individuals.  

 

I agree 100%.

 

But we aren't talking about how the LORD is dealing with individuals.  There are things that the LORD said would go on forever.  Surely you aren't saying that he would change an everlasting agreement?

 

Take this one passage:

  • 2 Kings 17:37-39 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.  (38)  And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.  (39)  But the LORD your God ye shall fear; and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.

So the "We are not under the Law of Moses" doctrine MUST change the meaning of "for evermore" to "for a while."  Or else the LORD broke his covenant. OR the Church supersedes Israel as the New Covenant, the problem is; the “New Covenant” is with Israel not the Church.

  • Jer 31:31  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
  • Hebrews 8:8  For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

But now look at Ezekiel's Future temple in Ezekiel 45:17, 21-25 Ezekiel talks of Sabbaths, the feast of unleavened bread and the feast of tabernacles. How can this be if "We are not under the Law of Moses?"

 

It's not just Ezekiel. Look at Zechariah 14:16 During the millennial kingdom every nation will worship the king and keep the feast of tabernacles.  

How can this be if "We are not under the Law of Moses?"

  • 1 John 2:3-4  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  (4)  He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
  • 1 John 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
  • 1 John 3:22  And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
  • 1 John 5:2-3  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.  (3)  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

How can this be if "We are not under the Law of Moses?"

 

Or how about God Himself overturning the Old Testament law to show Peter how the Gospel is also for Gentiles (Acts 10:10-15, 26-28)?

 

There isn't any Old Testament Law that forbids Israeilites from associating with Gentiles.  HOWEVER, there was a sect of Pharisees, the house of Shammia, that taught that it was a Sin for a Jew to associate in any way with a Gentile. This is still a common practice among ultra-orthodox Jews even today.  They will not even drink wine if the bottle is opened by a Gentile...

 

Also Acts 10:12 uses the same animals that YHVH calls Israel in Hosea 2:18-19. this view agrees with Jesus teaching that he is came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (thank you for not saying that this is about food, most people don't even read what Peter said the vision was about.) 

 

 

Christ kept the law where we couldn't and His grace superseded the requirements of the law (John 1:17).

 

John 1:17 is a classic example of where the translators bias is inserted for "clarity." In the KJV the "but" is italicized to indicate that it isn't there in the original language. 

 

 

From the Preface to the 1611 KJV:"It was printed in black letter with small italicized Roman type to represent those words not in the original languages."

 

Without the "but" Grace does not supersede the Law.  Joh 1:17  For the law was given by Moses, grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 

 

The balance is shown in Rom 8:1-4.  God did what the law couldn't do and has given His Spirit to enable us to walk righteously (though not perfectly in this life).  Not only that, it is God who not only causes us to work out our salvation but also gives us the will to do His pleasure, something that does not come naturally (Phil 2:12-13).

 

In the Law there was only one option for willful disobedience, death.  Jesus' death paid the price for our willful disobedience.

  • Rom 8:10  And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Anyone who has seriously read the scriptures from Geneis to Revelation, cannot help but see one of the major theme running through its pages, beside the coming of the Messiah. That other major theme is OBEDIANCE!.

Anyone who has seriously read the scriptures from Geneis to Revelation, cannot help but see one of the major theme running through its pages, beside the coming of the Messiah. That other major theme is OBEDIANCE!.

 

Amen!



Anyone who has seriously read the scriptures from Geneis to Revelation, cannot help but see one of the major theme running through its pages, beside the coming of the Messiah. That other major theme is OBEDIANCE!.

 

I agree with you too. That said, its where you place your obedience that matters, or who and what you obey.

 

If your obedience is to the law, then you as a gentile fall away from (or out of) God's grace (Note Gal 5:4) because you look to the Law for your justification. However, if your obedience is to God because you placed your faith (belief) in him, it's by your faith (belief) that God has justified you and made you righteous.

 

Abraham was justified by him believing what God told him, and because that belief it was counted as righteousness to him, and so obeyed God. You just need to read Heb 11, and that will tell you right away how faith works, and even goes to the extent of giving the history of the "fathers" of faith. The one thing you will notice in that, they all obeyed BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEF in the promise. Where was the Law in all of that?! Its nowhere to be seen! Its FAITH (BELIEF) that does it and nothing else.

 

Blessings,

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I agree with you too. That said, its where you place your obedience that matters, or who and what you obey.

 

If your obedience is to the law, then you as a gentile fall away from (or out of) God's grace (Note Gal 5:4) because you look to the Law for your justification. However, if your obedience is to God because you placed your faith (belief) in him, it's by your faith (belief) that God has justified you and made you righteous.

 

Abraham was justified by him believing what God told him, and because that belief it was counted as righteousness to him, and so obeyed God. You just need to read Heb 11, and that will tell you right away how faith works, and even goes to the extent of giving the history of the "fathers" of faith. The one thing you will notice in that, they all obeyed BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEF in the promise. Where was the Law in all of that?! Its nowhere to be seen! Its FAITH (BELIEF) that does it and nothing else.

 

Blessings,

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Uhm, isn't onedience to the law the same as obedience to God?  I mean, the law is God's instructions in what He expects...

 

Salvation is by faith, as you rightly point, but that faith should lead us to obey the standard that God set.  The law.  It will be written on our hearts...  Hasn't changed, regardless of how people misinterpret Paul.

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